Bio D why so expensive
July 12, 2006 - 7:32pm
Good read but sohttp://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060706/BUSINESS/607060305/1003
July 12, 2006 - 8:10pm
#2
But 2.76 a gallon is way over what it cost to produce it isn't it ? I wonder what the mark up is over production cost.
July 12, 2006 - 8:17pm
#3
takes time to make it... DANGEROUS TO MAKE IT TOO
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July 12, 2006 - 8:35pm
#4
I wondered why the price was so high also. Figure it's gotta be supply-and-demand. Think about it, how long would a guy be selling bio at $1.50 a gallon before he ran out.
July 12, 2006 - 9:03pm
#5
about 80 cents a gallon to make bio diesel, plus the time to go get the veggie, i will be running on bio diesel soon friend is buying a processor :}:}:}
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July 13, 2006 - 4:15am
#6
Quote:
Originally posted by: one tank fla. mercedes
about 80 cents a gallon to make bio diesel, plus the time to go get the veggie, i will be running on bio diesel soon friend is buying a processor :}:}:}
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That's still a heck of a mark up . Most G stations only make a few cents over the price they pay for rug Oh well keeps the demand down somewhat .I would have gone with making Bio-D if I didn't have an apartment over the garage . Didn't want to risk the explosion thing .
July 13, 2006 - 4:33am
#7
Well from what i have heard from the few people i know that make bio-d but are not into veg power they buy new veg oil. So if you add the price of veg oil and the price of diesel and then the time and chemicals added to it thats why so many placessell bio-d for so much. I don't think its the right way to do it but from the people i have talked to thats why its so expensive. I think its a huge waste to buy food grade veg oil and turn it into bio-d. Far more economical to process waste oil into bio-d and much better for the economy too (no need to waste perfectly good veg oil to be tossed into a tank when it can and should be used in food prep first) Right now Bio-d is probably the most profitable fuel being sold most gas stations make literarly only a few cents per gallon profit 1 drive off really hurts the bottom line for small stations. Biod might be dangerouse to make but just imagine how dangerouse refining oil is.
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July 13, 2006 - 5:18am
#8
TDIguy
me and 2 friends went to tampa to watch this guy and his wife make bio diesel in their garage, we stayed outside watching when he added they lie he just had a paper face mask on and they both breathed it in and were coughing really bad, she was coughing worse she had no mask on, they will get throat cancer if they don't get real resperators... they had a really nice brand new set up 4000.00 makes 40 gallon batches
July 13, 2006 - 5:21am
#9
I make and use BD and I Have gotten the cost down to 50 cents per gallon. That is just the cost of the lye and methenal. My processor is all home made from what I had a round. My filters for the final product are on top of that and they cost about 5 bucks and last for maybe a hundred gallon. Again the only problem I have is getting wvo that is easy to work with. Some resturants use it too long and it is very hard to convert to BD, but I am getting better at it. And OT I find it safe if you use common sense and you would have no problem doing it. I think I have found enough wvo around here to make enough BD for my trip to Washington state. So thanks to Macthomas for his offer to supply me some wvo and OT for his concern and help.
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July 13, 2006 - 5:59am
#10
Some biodiesel producers use only new vegetable oil. Apparantly it is easier to meet ASTM standards that way. New oil costs almost as much as diesel.
That said, I also think many are trying to make a large profit and take advantage of the situation.
A lot of nice people are attracted to the alternative energy thing. Unfortunately something happens to thenm when they start making money on it.
July 13, 2006 - 6:32am
#11
gpeterson44402
did you get that oil from macthomas ??? i still know where their is a 250 gallon propane cilinder full of used veggie oil, the guy said i could take it all, i though it would be a cool picture with my wagon backed up to it filling up, he caught me taking the picture and he freaked out and run me off.. i think he thought i was some kinda inspector for the city or the county... he freaked bigtime he made me pack up and get out, i only got a few gallons, i went by their last week and it is still full he will have to pay to have it sucked out... THE GRIFFEN TRUCKS ARE INVADING OUR COUNTY TAKING THE GREASE seen them yeasterday... this 250 gallon wouldn't be going anyware soon
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July 13, 2006 - 8:07am
#12
Quote:
Originally posted by: Phil
Some biodiesel producers use only new vegetable oil. Apparantly it is easier to meet ASTM standards that way. New oil costs almost as much as diesel.
That said, I also think many are trying to make a large profit and take advantage of the situation.
A lot of nice people are attracted to the alternative energy thing. Unfortunately something happens to thenm when they start making money on it.
Well If their using new oil I could understand , but even then they can buy it in a bulk rate and spoiled oil which has to be cheaper. I think your right the greed factor takes over . especialy if your the only one selling it Competition might drive the price down . But for now they can get away with it.
July 13, 2006 - 10:23am
#13
As far as safety from what i have seen using a mostly closed off system is really the way to go. It is much safer and faster and far less labor intensive. There are risks in makeing bio-d mostly in using methenol. Safe storage and not cheaping out tho makes life easy and well much safer.
Also keep in mind if someone is producing bio-d and not doing it effeciently but yet they can not keep it in stock because they sell it as fast as they produce it they have no real reason to change methods. Most people producing bio-d to sell it are not able to keep up with demand so they have no reason to change price or method at all.
Myself i would find use for bio-d if it was cheaper say competitive with home heating oil. I would love to burn it in my furnace but no way will i pay more for bio-d then what i can buy hho for economically it is not smart. I hate to sound like a cheap jerk but i am on a fixed income EVERYTHING i do i try to keep the costs down. My cars are well maintained in order to keep down time to a minimum and keep expensive repairs at bay. My house I have been working most of this summer to put in insulation and replace weather stripping. I am even looking into this insulation that can be blown into the walls without takeing down the panels.
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July 13, 2006 - 10:45am
#14
$.80 a gallon is based on using waste oil,virgin oil would be over $2.00 a gal or better.
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July 13, 2006 - 11:34am
#15
We were at a BioD conference recently and I think the statistic is that 90% of BioD in this country is from virgin oil...
Do you think Citgo is going to open that huge operation in Texas to process WVO???? NO WAY!
All the news out of Europe is about how Southeast Asian rainforests are being deforested to grow crops to make bio...
July 13, 2006 - 11:50am
#16
I am glad it is deforested to grow bio plants. Dont get me wrong, I am against cutting out large forests, but I by growing our own crops for bio, we are carbon neurtal. Also, the virgin oil in the US is so expensive because we are getting it from mostly soy. I think that the large companies are again trying to take over our other alternative fuels. Rapeseed (canola) gets more oil per acre of crops than soy. It also has a lower gel point when produced for bio than soy does. Also, bio is kept high because of the enviornmentalist point of view. It is kept high because some people who want to help the earth will pay high prices to know that they are helping the earth. Since many normal trucking companies and people are not using a lot of bio (I mean B50-B100), the bio companies are really only catering to the "earth savers".
Hey Mike how is the oil collection coming? Have you had any problems with pickups still? Did you get my email?
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July 13, 2006 - 11:49am
#17
Quote:
Originally posted by: Greaseburger
$.80 a gallon is based on using waste oil,virgin oil would be over $2.00 a gal or better.
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Sure if your buying at Walmart Costco in 35lb. cubies. But if your buying in 2000 gl or more tanker truck it has to be cheaper . What I do like is the idea that it is catchinhg on in this country . This is a new industry that can be made and produced right here in the USA. The farms to produce the crops , the Bio-d plants to produce the fuel . The G stations to sell it and it is renewable to boot.
July 13, 2006 - 8:29pm
#18
As was just stated, Virgin oil runs 1.70 to 2.00 here on the west coast and the producers are using as much used grease
as they can but demand is putting that figure at around 10%
used .(At least the last time I talked to my supplier) Also there is a lack of customer aproval on high % of used because the color is much darker. The first batch I got from
Sequential using Kettle Chip Grease even I complained it was
so dark. I don't really understand why since my 100% used
personal Bio is not that dark at all.
On top of the oil, the other costs add up like Methanol,
KOH :etc. Oh yes, there is that little thing called "profit" also.
July 13, 2006 - 9:15pm
#19
Quote:
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Originally posted by: gpeterson44402
I make and use BD and I Have gotten the cost down to 50 cents per gallon. That is just the cost of the lye and methenal. My processor is all home made from what I had a round. My filters for the final product are on top of that and they cost about 5 bucks and last for maybe a hundred gallon. Again the only problem I have is getting wvo that is easy to work with. Some resturants use it too long and it is very hard to convert to BD, but I am getting better at it. And OT I find it safe if you use common sense and you would have no problem doing it. I think I have found enough wvo around here to make enough BD for my trip to Washington state. So thanks to Macthomas for his offer to supply me some wvo and OT for his concern and help.
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On the problem of using oil that was used too long:
Try the reaction touted elsewhere on this site by I think ForrestGump. Try adding my small twist to the basic plan.
1. Filter the oil as you normally would for use as straight WVO fuel.
2. I recommend drying by heat and vacuum. A hot water heater and a vacuum pump work.
3. React this with bicarbonate of soda. The acid is neutralized and clear oil will float on some white watery gunk after the reaction. Rack this oil off. You might want to add a wash at this stage remove excess Bicarbonate and soap if an are present.
4. You could vacuum dry this again.
5. Do the PH test and bio-Diesel reaction as you normally would. I think you will find the Bicarbonate reacted oil to have no acid and will produce less soap in the bio-Diesel reaction.
Good luck
Cabover
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July 14, 2006 - 3:18am
#20
If loosing a forest was the only side effect of well loosing a forrest then deforesting a area to make bio-d wouldnt be so bad. But from what i remember in high school geology we sort of need forrests to produce breathable air. Too much deforesting is definantly a bad thing. So ripping down a forrest to produce a very expensive fuel just sounds like a really bad idea to me. I won't help the economy because the product is very expensive and it definantly does not help the environment. We have to consider the side effects of things before we act.
However here in the US it would be great to have farmers accually use there fields to produce more crops rather then get paid to not produce.
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Another good veg site
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July 14, 2006 - 6:56am
#21
Quote:
Originally posted by: TDIguy
If loosing a forest was the only side effect of well loosing a forrest then deforesting a area to make bio-d wouldnt be so bad. But from what i remember in high school geology we sort of need forrests to produce breathable air. Too much deforesting is definantly a bad thing. So ripping down a forrest to produce a very expensive fuel just sounds like a really bad idea to me. I won't help the economy because the product is very expensive and it definantly does not help the environment. We have to consider the side effects of things before we act.
However here in the US it would be great to have farmers accually use there fields to produce more crops rather then get paid to not produce.
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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Running on Veg since summer 04 still learning new tricks.
11mm IP + lift pump = POWER
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html
I hate to hear about deforestation, it destroys the eco system. Although live trees help clean the air dead and decaying add to the polution of the air. I agree we have plenty of farm land that could and should be used to produce crops for the making of Bio-D . I'm sure it will happen someday . The quality of the processing would not have to be food grade so this would help to keep cost down as well as developing crops like Jatropa, and Hemp that are not food crops and are low maintainence. I have a dream.
July 14, 2006 - 7:39am
#22
Good luck getting the US to grow mass quantities of hemp. They made it illegal before ever even researching it. The jatrope plant is considered a weed. I just don't know if it can thrive up here like it does in s america.
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Vag-Com tool at home
Running on Veg since summer 04 still learning new tricks.
11mm IP + lift pump = POWER
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html
July 14, 2006 - 8:39am
#23
Jatropa could grow well in the deep south where it dosent get below about 40 above . The hemp phobic thing could be looked into again . If enough peeps get behind it and demand action it might have a chance . 1 thing I have learned in my 53 years is never say never. What come around goes around.
July 14, 2006 - 10:07am
#24
July 14, 2006 - 10:18am
#25
Quote:
Originally posted by: dcwier1
Jatropa could grow well in the deep south where it dosent get below about 40 above . The hemp phobic thing could be looked into again . If enough peeps get behind it and demand action it might have a chance . 1 thing I have learned in my 53 years is never say never. What come around goes around.
I belive that I read the hemp oil is not that great of a fuel for SVO diesels I'll see what I can find again but if I rember right the hemp oil dose not hold enough energy and leaves some sort of film.
I had it bookmarked on my other computer but I sent that to CA with my wife.
I'll have to search it out again.
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July 14, 2006 - 10:26am
#26
Quote:
Originally posted by: dcwier1
Quote:
Originally posted by: one tank fla. mercedes
about 80 cents a gallon to make bio diesel, plus the time to go get the veggie, i will be running on bio diesel soon friend is buying a processor :}:}:}
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That's still a heck of a mark up . Most G stations only make a few cents over the price they pay for rug Oh well keeps the demand down somewhat .I would have gone with making Bio-D if I didn't have an apartment over the garage . Didn't want to risk the explosion thing .
you would be more likly to gas posin anybody in the Apt than blow up.
methoxide is one nasty vapor! and it can pool. I have made small batches 1 liter at a time. and I'm way affaid of the gasses. you cant even get a breather that will stop it.
sure it will blow but it will burn so fast if you have a well ventalated area it should just go POOF. but if you have that much vapor in one place (enought to ignight from ambent electricity or a static charge your are more than likely dead from inhalation.
build a shed or a small pole barn away from the house.
even if you don't have anyone or thing in the Apt over the garage the fumes from methoxide are corsive and wil eat things like fabrics and permiate the wood.
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July 14, 2006 - 10:58am
#27
Quote:
Originally posted by: adaminnj
Quote:
Originally posted by: dcwier1
Quote:
Originally posted by: one tank fla. mercedes
about 80 cents a gallon to make bio diesel, plus the time to go get the veggie, i will be running on bio diesel soon friend is buying a processor :}:}:}
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That's still a heck of a mark up . Most G stations only make a few cents over the price they pay for rug Oh well keeps the demand down somewhat .I would have gone with making Bio-D if I didn't have an apartment over the garage . Didn't want to risk the explosion thing .
you would be more likly to gas posin anybody in the Apt than blow up.
methoxide is one nasty vapor! and it can pool. I have made small batches 1 liter at a time. and I'm way affaid of the gasses. you cant even get a breather that will stop it.
sure it will blow but it will burn so fast if you have a well ventalated area it should just go POOF. but if you have that much vapor in one place (enought to ignight from ambent electricity or a static charge your are more than likely dead from inhalation.
build a shed or a small pole barn away from the house.
even if you don't have anyone or thing in the Apt over the garage the fumes from methoxide are corsive and wil eat things like fabrics and permiate the wood.
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Sounds like more trouble then it's worth. The BS/S/MS method has worked great for me so far . So if it ain't broke why fix it.
July 14, 2006 - 11:16am
#28
you must have owned an MG :)
I'm sure there are going to be some superfund sites from home brewed bio-D
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July 14, 2006 - 11:53am
#29
(NewsTarget) A joint study from the University of Cornell and the University of Berkeley has uncovered evidence that producing biodiesel from plants such as maize and sunflower uses up more energy than the resulting fuel produces.
http://www.newenergyreport.org/019570.html
Maybe that is why they're going for the palm oil in Asia. If we used sustainable agricultural practices (no-till, rotation crops instead of petro fertilizers etc), there would be less energy going into production, and less waste downstream creating those algea blooms in the Gulf suffocating everything in the sea and hurting the fish industry.
July 14, 2006 - 2:02pm
#30
There has to be something that we can grow here that would work out well for the environment and produce a good amount of veg oil. How bad would it be if we did utilize the land to produce sunflower or the other type of oil rather then paying the farmers to not grow.
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July 16, 2006 - 6:35am
#31
Adam, so, you've made 1 liter batches and you talk like an expert on the subject. You make it sound like us home brewers are handling plutonium, instead of methanol.
I'm not saying there's no risk! But it's nothing like you portray.
If you're near SE PA, your welcome to come over and watch me make a 33 gal batch. Maybe then you can stop the misinformation.
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July 16, 2006 - 6:43am
#32
Quote:
Originally posted by: conspirator
Adam, so, you've made 1 liter batches and you talk like an expert on the subject. You make it sound like us home brewers are handling plutonium, instead of methanol.
I'm not saying there's no risk! But it's nothing like you portray.
If you're near SE PA, your welcome to come over and watch me make a 33 gal batch. Maybe then you can stop the misinformation.
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usually exceeds demand."
I was only talking about the methoxid vapors not about making bio-D.
the info about making / using methoxid is common knoledge not missinformation. (if you look)
Thank you for your offer but I have far to much going on right now.
if you feel like you are handling a safe gas/liquid then great, I hope you are handeling it safely.
this is not rocket science (Hell I can even make bio-D) but the methoxide a very crosive, explosive, and posiness gas / liquids around (your house)
it's not like natural gas or LP, it's a poison it wont just sufficate you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methoxide
and a quote from a recipy site
http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/makingasmallbatch/
"WARNING
I will assume that if you are reading this for the information then you are new to Biodiesel making, so just a few words of caution:
- THESE ARE DANGEROUS/POISONOUS CHEMICALS
- COMMON SENSE MUST BE USED
- YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS AND THE SAFETY OF YOURSELF AND
EVERYONE/EVERYTHING AROUND YOU
- METHANOL IS A POISON WHICH CAN BE ABSORBED THROUGH YOUR SKIN, BY
INHILATION, OR CONSUMPTION
- METHANOL CAN CAUSE BLINDNESS AND DEATH
- METHANOL IS AS FLAMMABLE AS GASOLINE/PETROL
- CARTRIDGE RESPIRATORS DO NOT WORK WITH METHANOL
- Sodium hydroxide (Caustic soda, NaOH, lye) can cause severe burns and death.
- Long-sleve shirt, full shoes and trousers are recommended, no shorts or sandals.
- Wear chemical proof gloves, apron, and eye protection.
- Do NOT inhale any vapors.
- Always have running water available to wash off any splashes."
I just hope you don't hert anybody (including your self)
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July 16, 2006 - 7:04am
#33
Adam,
The methoxide (the mixture of methanol and lye, for those who don't know) is in a sealed container for the entire BD making process. The only time the lid is off is to 1) add the lye to the methanol, which means you don't really have wethoxide yet. and 2) to switch caps to connect the container to the reactor setup so the methoxide can be sucked into the reaction. While the methoxide is being slowly mixed in, the reactor tank is vented to the outside to releive any pressure and vent fumes.
When handled correctly, it's quite safe. The misinformation comes in the form of sensationalism of the dangers, not necessarily in the dangers themselves. It's doom and gloom scare tactics. I don't agree with it, and I don't appreciate it.
Like most home brewers I am VERY careful. Nothing is left to run unattended. I have several fire extinguishers handy. I wear goggles, long sleeves and long pants and gloves.
I think the sensationalism of the risks and comments like the 'EPA superfund site' because of home brewing BD are unwarranted, untrue and uncalled for.
My offer still stands, for you, DCWIER1, TDIGuy, or others who are interested in facts instead of sensationalism and wild speculation.
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July 16, 2006 - 7:22am
#34
I remember reading a warning like that for bio-d i think that was the big reason i didn't end up starting my own little brew station. Sometimes i wish i had but i am doing pretty good with a mixture in my home oil tank and my jetta gets great diesel mileage and now that i have worked out a lot of the kinks gresing the jetta is pretty smooth running.
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July 16, 2006 - 7:34am
#35
conspirator,
Thanks again for the offer and I would take you up on this offer but the fact still remains that I'm going to be moving to Canada in a few weeks and I don't have a day to kill.
I know that there are safe ways of handeling most everything dangerus. (even plutonium) but accedent can still happen.
as well there is a vapor discharge from even finished bio-D so storing in a garage (under an Apt.) is not a great way of making / storing it.
it sounds like you have very cool system and I am intrested in knowing more about your prosses (and where you buy your supplys)
I'm standing by my (miss) information I would rather be a gloom monger than see someone get hert from handeling something as dangerus as even just the methonal let alone methoxide.
if you reacall I did not say don't make bio-D I said make it away from your house and in a well ventelated area and implyed (be carefull)
you on the other hand sound as if you drink the stuff when you run out of beer :) just a JK (:
since VO is a prohibited fuel in Canada (I know it is here in the US too) and bio-D is tax exempt I am leaning to making bio-D while I'm there as oposed to braking the law in Canada. (I will be a guest there)
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July 16, 2006 - 7:42pm
#36
Is the 250 gals. of WVO still acailable and where is the oil at.
July 17, 2006 - 12:09pm
#37
Quote from Adam: "I'm standing by my (miss) information I would rather be a gloom monger than see someone get hert from handeling something as dangerus as even just the methonal let alone methoxide."
My response: I'd rather just tell people the truth.... that there's risks involved and you need to take reasonable precautions and be careful.
Quote from Adam: "if you reacall I did not say don't make bio-D I said make it away from your house and in a well ventelated area and implyed (be carefull)"
My response: You ALSO said that a homebrewer would 'likely' poison someone in the apt above them, and that the gases would 'eat fabric and permiate wood'; and that, and I quote: "I'm sure there are going to be some superfund sites from home brewed bio-D"
My response: This is all hogwash. It may be accurate only if the home brewer went around splashing his methoxide around the room and pouring it on the ground outside. Of course, anyone with the slightest bit of common sense, would handle methanol/methoxide with the utmost care. As I'm sure you did when you made your 1 liter of BD. Sorry, but I prefer facts to wild speculation and innacuracies.
Quote from Adam: "you on the other hand sound as if you drink the stuff when you run out of beer :) just a JK (: "
My response: ..it was taken as a joke. Actually, well made/washed/dried BD is not toxic and would not harm you in small quantities. Although I would not recommend it. Also, BioD is a great degreaser and is used to clean up oil spills. Imagine that..... BioD used to clean up a superfund site. ;)
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July 17, 2006 - 1:51pm
#38
Ok, Ok your a bio-D zellot.
you are also wrong! I hope you don't become dead wrong.
(FACTS are Methonal, and Methoxide are deadly poisons and handling or breathing them can kill you dead and accedents can and do happen END FACTs)
umm you know why bio-D cleans so well? residual methoxide. (Drink up buddy)
Cheers **CLINK**
you may answer, or not, up to you but I'm done.
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July 17, 2006 - 10:00pm
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Adam,
I would have also been happy to be 'done' if you hadn't told me I was wrong. Where? Please point out where I have provided false information.
I love it when someone with little or no practical experience portrays themselves as an expert. They pretty quickly show everyone exactly what a poor grasp they have on the subject.
Well made/washed/dried BioD has no residual methoxide. It all comes out in the wash... literally.
As for your 'FACTS/END FACTS'.... I never said otherwise. Please show me where I did.
Accidents can happen... sure. They can and do happen whether you're making BD, driving your car, or playing sports. Most accidents happen in the home. That's where you feel most comfortable... and where you're likely to be the most careless. I'll say it again... Making BioD has inherent risks. Reasonable precautions need to be taken to ensure your safety. When caution is used, and precautions taken, it is a reasonably safe process.
If you're a scatter brain... don't make BD. If you're accident prone... don't make BD. If it seems that you have a dark cloud following you around or if you are unusually familiar with Murphy's Law.... don't make BD. For that matter... don't do anything, you might hurt yourself. :)
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in fla. they passed a NEW law that you can't sell bio diesel at the pumps for more then regular diesel... they want people to running on bio diesel
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