Biodiesel or WVO?

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Bought a 300SD to run WVO or biodiesel but keep going back and forth on the relative advantages / disadvantages of both methods. Does biodiesel really eat up the rubber parts and seals? And how big of a hassle, really, is it to make? And will heated vegetable oil run my 5 cyl diesel for a reasonably long time? Should I buy a kit from someone? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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wow, you just asked the questions that I've been pondering...haven't bought my wheels yet (hoping to buy a '01-'03 F250 extended cab, 4WD pickup YEEHAW! in late winter when I pay off my current car & give it to the wife)
My bro manages a restaurant and has already commited to giving me all of their wvo, plus I'm friendly with some local restaurants, so I don't think I'll have an issue getting the wvo, just not sure which way is better - grease kit or process your own biodiesel?????
Eventually I would like/hope to replace my antiquated oil burner (for home heating) with something that can run biodiesel, plus I'm thinking a diesel generator would not be a bad idea (OK, I'm not a survivalist or anything but it makes sense to be prepared...)
Anyways, any info, ideas, opinions that people can provide would be awesome - thanks in advance!

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Check through the forums; there was a pretty lengthy discussion about this. It was called something just like this one, maybe "biodiesel over WVO" or something like that.

But essentially, it comes down to why go to all the trouble and expense of converting when WVO seems to work just as well.
I would choose a wast oil furnace when it's time to replace; there is also a Yahoo group (altfuelfurnace) that is rying to run regular oil burners on WVO. So am I.

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Here is how I came to my conclusion to go WVO over biodiesel - biodiesel you don't need to alter your existing system in your car (for the most part - not sure on seals), but you pay $2.50 a gallon here in Ohio at a handful of biodiesel stations in the whole state. MNoney goes to big companies, and you are still funding the same sources overseas you are now buying gasoline. It still has all the polutants of current diesel. Doesn't sound like ANY advantage to me.

WVO - you have to invest about $1000 up front give or take a fewe hundred to buy the system and have your vehicle converted, BUT: 50% less polutants, 90% less carcinogens, non fossil fuel, for the most part 100% American made renewable resource, you are supporting yourself, not some fat cat big business or some insurgency somewhere, and it's FREE. You are supporting the new wave of Freedom of Choice

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This is why I decided to go WVO: I'm a chemical engineer with a background in process engineering in chemical plants so my first inclination was to make my own BD (biodiesel). I researched it and came to the conclusion that you have to handle the grease several more times during processing to make BD as opposed to using WVO. You have to store and handle hazardous materials (methanol and sodium hydroxide) and you have waste products to dispose of if you make BD. You also may have to replace gaskets and hoses in your vehicle because 100% BD is an aggressive solvent.

If you go WVO you only have to settle and filter and convert your vehicle. You can buy a kit or DIY like I did and spend as little as $300 for your conversion and filtration equipment. I think it would cost at least that much to put together a small process plant to make BD.

In the end it came to this: once my vehicle was converted it is less hassle and time to process and run WVO.

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If you run several diesels it probably pays to make ONE Biodiesel processor and run all the vegicles. If you have only one the one time cost and effort of converting is only slightly more but thereafter the fuel requires much less pre-processing and the cost of WVO is essentially zero, while BD costs for methanol and lye are significant. Also, if on the road you need more fuel, simply filtering oil available everywhere is quick and simple with minor equipment. Making BD on the road requires more equipment AND significant delay time for chemical reactions and settling, washing the final product to remove excess methanol, and more corrosive product (in re: rubber seals).
But a farm, for instance, with multiple vehicles for local use only might be more efficient using BD.
If the converted WVO vehicle ever dies the kit can be removed and transferred to replacment vehicle.

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RENO GREASER,

I'd be interested in chatting direct as I wish to also do WVO for my Suburban this fall. Maybe you could direct me where you got your kit and how you prepair your WVO ?? Type of equipment etc...

DJ9 (Chuck)

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Just completed my 1994 6.5 l TD suburban. Second greasecar owned by me, I too was pondering the differrence some of the major factors why I chose WVO.
1. With biodiesel you still have to obtain and filter WVO, why not just do it once?
2. The cost of Methnaol renders the final product around .70-1.00 a gallon. Filtered WVO costs me .10-.16 cents per gallon.
3.Methanol + Lye = Methoxide.....Nasty to breathe...can you say messed up for life? Plus I have kids and lye is caustic, WVO on the other hand is just messy, soap em down and hose em off.
4.As stated above, if you have a filter system and a decent personality you can score WVO from almost anywhere.
5. I can filter about as much WVO in the time it takes to mix up the same amount of Biodiesel.
6. In winter you still have to add additives or mix the Bio so it doesn't gel.
Do what you want its a free country, but you asked and I answered.

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How about BOTH?

Start your car on biodiesel, when hot switch to SVO, when you arrive shut down on biodiesel, and you get the best of both worlds. And you don't need much BD, so make a bunch and store it. Or if you buy it get only what you need.

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DJ9 (CHUCK)

I used info from this website and the greasel site to convert my MB300D Turbo, didn't buy a kit but pretty much did it the greasel way except that I used a spin on filter from northern tools rather than a racor. Are you near Reno? You can contact me direct at renogreaser@hotmail.com