Energy independence Is What greasing Means
October 18, 2007 - 6:27am
Here i have seen it all as the people of the United States are begging for energy relief by greasing, letting it sit if its yellow, keeping the heat down, car pooling, public transportation, ect.
Our leadersare blocking the progression and futre of energy independence from fossil fuels.
With not allowing the legalization of Hemp, and making solor and thermal energy available for all Citizens at a reasonable cost.
As other nations strive for energy independence from Fossil fuels our President calls those who seek it Terrorists.
So when I am told sorry I will not sell you milk i go down the street to buy it.
So here we have it Iran and Russia banding together to build a nuclear reactor so Iran can become energy Independent from fossil fuels and there economy and nation can become more productive.
Once again because of the administration who is in power mocked the visit of Irans leader he did the next best thing and went seeking help and peace in another Nuclear power.
So here is what we get more of this:
and what is this? Putin is a better diplomat then our trusting president # 43 GWB
I cant wait for 2008.
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October 18, 2007 - 9:41am
#2
Quote:
Originally posted by: Rif
Yea but Diesel, ya know what, Iran can produce plenty of energy by harnessing the sun, they do not need the political and physical dangers of nuclear power, I am suspicious of Ahmadinejad.
"II. Case study: Solar thermal energy in Iran
1. Favourable natural conditions for the use of solar energy
Iran has a high amount of renewable energy sources: there are favourable
conditions for the profitable use of wind energy, very good opportunities for the
extension of water power use as well as an ideal setting for the use of solar
energy. The average global radiation for Iran is about 19.23 MJ/m2/day
(= 5.3 kWh/m2/day) and it is even higher in the central region of Iran, with more
than 7.7 hours per day (more than 2,800 hours per year).
The level of incoming global radiation (~2,000 kWh/m2 per year) in Iran is
globally one of the highest. In Germany, for example, the annual incoming global
radiation (~800-1,000 kWh/m2) is less than half of the Iranian average. Taking
into account the size of the Iranian territory (~1,648,000 km2) the total amount of
radiation in Iran is about 3.3 million TWh per year ? this is thirteen times higher
than the total energy consumption in Iran.
Despite these favourable natural radiative conditions there is hardly any use of
solar energy in Iran. In the past couple of years only about 4,000 solar thermal
installations per year were constructed"
http://www.ceers.org/News/Solar_Iran-Execut_Summary.pdf
Iran does not NEED to be a nuke power...
Rif
Rif:
Ur right so can the entire midwestern united states.
But Iran and other nation want Nuclear energy.
We should built the reactor for them not the Russians.
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October 18, 2007 - 9:51am
#3
Imagine Russia invades and occupies Canada and Mexico, declares the U.S. an enemy state and parks aircraft carriers off the coast of San Francisco.
Screw it! I'm going nuculer.
Take a look at a map and get some perspective. What would we do under the same set of circumstances?
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October 18, 2007 - 9:52am
#4
You say that as tho nuke power is actually a good thing. I am disapointed that it is being built at all. Its retarded the only reason i can think of for a nuke reactor in a area that can get energy through renewable resources so easily is to research weapons. The US is a bit different our own politics get in the way of being environmentally friendly and the people dont want anything in there back yard so to say. I dont trust this at all and think that its just another country that wants nukes.
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October 18, 2007 - 10:00am
#5
Here is a simple solution The Wind belt
Working in Haiti, Shawn Frayne, a 28-year-old inventor based in Mountain View, Calif., saw the need for small-scale wind power to juice LED lamps and radios in the homes of the poor. Conventional wind turbines don?t scale down well?there?s too much friction in the gearbox and other components. ?With rotary power, there?s nothing out there that generates under 50 watts,? Frayne says. So he took a new tack, studying the way vibrations caused by the wind led to the collapse in 1940 of Washington?s Tacoma Narrows Bridge (aka Galloping Gertie).
Frayne?s device, which he calls a Windbelt, is a taut membrane fitted with a pair of magnets that oscillate between metal coils. Prototypes have generated 40 milliwatts in 10-mph slivers of wind, making his device 10 to 30 times as efficient as the best microturbines. Frayne envisions the Windbelt costing a few dollars and replacing kerosene lamps in Haitian homes. ?Kerosene is smoky and it?s a fire hazard,? says Peter Haas, founder of the Appropriate Infrastructure Development Group, which helps people in developing countries to get environmentally sound access to clean water, sanitation and energy. ?If Shawn?s innovation breaks, locals can fix it. If a solar panel breaks, the family is out a panel.?
Frayne hopes to help fund third-world distribution of his Windbelt with revenue from first-world applications?such as replacing the batteries used to power temperature and humidity sensors in buildings. ?There?s not a huge amount of innovation being done for people making $2 to $4 per day,? Haas says. ?Shawn?s work is definitely needed.?
In a conventional wind generator, gears help transfer the motion of the spinning blades to a turbine where an electric current is induced. The Windbelt is simpler and more efficient in light breezes?a magnet mounted on a vibrating membrane simply oscillates between wire coils.
October 18, 2007 - 9:59am
#6
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Originally posted by: TDIguy
You say that as tho nuke power is actually a good thing. I am disapointed that it is being built at all. Its retarded the only reason i can think of for a nuke reactor in a area that can get energy through renewable resources so easily is to research weapons. The US is a bit different our own politics get in the way of being environmentally friendly and the people dont want anything in there back yard so to say. I dont trust this at all and think that its just another country that wants nukes.
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Why would Iran or anyother country want to Nuke anybody?
Iran as a nation that has never invaded another country so why would they having a Nuclear reactor change this.
Dont say they are radicles and harbor Terrorists. Anyone can call anybody a terrorist no matter who you are.
You have a very nice grease set up. You want to be independent of Big Oil and Taxes so does Iran.
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October 18, 2007 - 10:06am
#7
Diesel,
Yes! The entire midwest, and ya know what, with all the sun dominated days in places like SoCal, Colorado, Texas, Nevada, Floriday etc etc.... I bet this whole country could run on solar, wind, and biofuels, so lets vote for people who start down that road now! Are there any such poeple?
But in a place like Iran, its all possible now from the ground up. All the money they've dumped into their nukes up till now could have gone towards photovoltaics and the like, Russia should be building then solar panels and power infrustructure not nuke reactors...
Rif
October 18, 2007 - 10:19am
#8
Quote:
Originally posted by: Rif
Diesel,
Yes! The entire midwest, and ya know what, with all the sun dominated days in places like SoCal, Colorado, Texas, Nevada, Floriday etc etc.... I bet this whole country could run on solar, wind, and biofuels, so lets vote for people who start down that road now! Are there any such poeple?
But in a place like Iran, its all possible now from the ground up. All the money they've dumped into their nukes up till now could have gone towards photovoltaics and the like, Russia should be building then solar panels and power infrustructure not nuke reactors...
Rif
Rif:
UR right nobody needs nuclear power. But this is not the issue the issue is Iran and other nations dependent on fossil fuel wants reliefe and they see nuclear energy as the solution.
So rather then fighting it we should educate and help nations run them efficiently but not like three mile island in NY...
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October 18, 2007 - 10:33am
#9
Diesel,
Its just that though, as advances in tech grow even countries like the USA and Russia, China , and Japan, there is still no god healthy way to deal with nuke waste, for that reason alone, putting aside weaponry, politics etc... The Iranians and any other nation should steer towards renewable energy and it SHOULD be our job to lead the way and build THAT kinda stuff for Iran, no?
Rif
October 18, 2007 - 11:00am
#10
Quote:
Originally posted by: DieselCrazy
Quote:
Originally posted by: TDIguy
You say that as tho nuke power is actually a good thing. I am disapointed that it is being built at all. Its retarded the only reason i can think of for a nuke reactor in a area that can get energy through renewable resources so easily is to research weapons. The US is a bit different our own politics get in the way of being environmentally friendly and the people dont want anything in there back yard so to say. I dont trust this at all and think that its just another country that wants nukes.
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Why would Iran or anyother country want to Nuke anybody?
Iran as a nation that has never invaded another country so why would they having a Nuclear reactor change this.
Dont say they are radicles and harbor Terrorists. Anyone can call anybody a terrorist no matter who you are.
You have a very nice grease set up. You want to be independent of Big Oil and Taxes so does Iran.
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So the leader of Iran has called for the extermination of Israel and you think it is a great idea to give him nuclear power? I guess if we built nuclear programs in all of the mid-east countries, we could just let them duke it out and see who comes out on top. Darwinism in action. I like it.
Does radioactive diesel have a higher energy density?
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October 18, 2007 - 12:55pm
#11
just ignore everything i say, i am really just an idiot who rants about politics because i have nothing better to do
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October 18, 2007 - 12:59pm
#12
RIGHT so nukulear waste is MUCH better then wind soloar or other alternative fuels? Wanting to be independant of oil via nuke power is not a realistic solution. These people must really be in the stone age to think that nuke is the way to go for power. The USA still hasnt figured out what to do long term with all the nuke waste we still produce in the very few reactors we have its one of the key reasons we do not build more reactors well that and the fact that private industry does not take the same safety precautions the military does and why subs work so well with nuke power and there have been so many incidents with reactors. How simple would it be to setup a solar grid array with batterys for power in a country that has vast amounts of barren land and excessive amounts of sunlight.
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October 18, 2007 - 2:10pm
#13
werd.
October 18, 2007 - 2:10pm
#14
I wont waste my time rebutting the latest goofy thoughts from DC, but about nuke power..
What we ought to go back to researching is breeder reactors.
The radioactivity of the waste is harmless after 35 years or
so...
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October 18, 2007 - 2:29pm
#15
Here is a Co. that could revolutionize photo voltaic use with nano tech Oh yeah 0 years to wait for waste to be good Octillion Corp.
Octillion Corp. is a technology incubator focused on the identification, acquisition, development and eventual commercialization of emerging solar energy and solar related technologies.
Among our current research and development activities is the development of a patent-pending technology that could adapt existing home and office glass windows into ones capable of generating electricity from solar energy without losing significant transparency or requiring major changes in manufacturing infrastructure.
The technological potential of adapting existing glass windows into ones capable of generating electricity from the sun's solar energy has been made possible through a ground breaking discovery of an electrochemical and ultrasound process that produces identically sized (1 to 4 nanometers in diameter) highly luminescent nanoparticles of silicon that provide varying wavelengths of photoluminescence with high quantum down-conversion efficiency of short wavelengths (50% to 60%).
When thin films of silicon nanoparticles are deposited (sprayed) onto silicon substrates, ultraviolet light is absorbed and converted into electrical current. With appropriate connections, the film acts as nanosilicon photovoltaic solar cells that convert solar radiation to electrical energy.
The process of producing silicon nanoparticles is supported by 10 issued US patents, 7 pending US patents, 2 issued foreign counterpart patents and 19 pending foreign counterpart patents.
For additional information, please visit: www.octillioncorp.com.
October 18, 2007 - 2:40pm
#16
Quote:
Originally posted by: Tom Yaz
I wont waste my time rebutting the latest goofy thoughts from DC, but about nuke power..
What we ought to go back to researching is breeder reactors.
The radioactivity of the waste is harmless after 35 years or
so...
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Yes. Radioactive waste has always been the problem.
Solve that problem and the only thing that follows is light polution.
The earth will have so much cheap energy Martians will need sunglasses just to go outside when the are facing us.
Today there is no such thing as safe nuclear energy. End of sentence.
We can speculate and hope for solution, but that won't necesarily bring one.
Solar, Wind. Thats my votel
Regarding Iran. Washington has threatened to bomb them into extinction. Wouldn't you want a nuclear bomb too?
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October 18, 2007 - 3:35pm
#17
Quote:
Originally posted by: Henry David Thoreau
Quote:
Originally posted by: Tom Yaz
I wont waste my time rebutting the latest goofy thoughts from DC, but about nuke power..
What we ought to go back to researching is breeder reactors.
The radioactivity of the waste is harmless after 35 years or
so...
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Whatever "Green" means to you, GreenRoadSupply.com helps you make it so.
Yes. Radioactive waste has always been the problem.
Solve that problem and the only thing that follows is light polution.
The earth will have so much cheap energy Martians will need sunglasses just to go outside when the are facing us.
Today there is no such thing as safe nuclear energy. End of sentence.
We can speculate and hope for solution, but that won't necesarily bring one.
Solar, Wind. Thats my votel
Regarding Iran. Washington has threatened to bomb them into extinction. Wouldn't you want a nuclear bomb too?
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"Today there is no such thing as safe nuclear energy. End of sentence"
I would welcome nuke energy in my backyard. Wait, there already is, TMI. Cant live in A %100 safe world anymore than
you can live in a world at 100% peace. Risk vs Benefits. Benefits outwiegh the risks in nuke technology imho.
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October 18, 2007 - 5:12pm
#18
Tom, it's not just "End of sentence" - it also includes "A completely closed mind". End of discovery, possibilities and argument. It is belief - pure and simple, it has nothing to do with knowledge or science. It is a religion - and unless the mind opens up, there is no logic or reason that will make a dent. It's another "skull full of mush" brainwashed by a lousy public education system.
October 18, 2007 - 8:24pm
#19
Quote:
Originally posted by: dcwier1
Here is a Co. that could revolutionize photo voltaic use with nano tech Oh yeah 0 years to wait for waste to be good Octillion Corp.
Octillion Corp. is a technology incubator focused on the identification, acquisition, development and eventual commercialization of emerging solar energy and solar related technologies.
Among our current research and development activities is the development of a patent-pending technology that could adapt existing home and office glass windows into ones capable of generating electricity from solar energy without losing significant transparency or requiring major changes in manufacturing infrastructure.
The technological potential of adapting existing glass windows into ones capable of generating electricity from the sun's solar energy has been made possible through a ground breaking discovery of an electrochemical and ultrasound process that produces identically sized (1 to 4 nanometers in diameter) highly luminescent nanoparticles of silicon that provide varying wavelengths of photoluminescence with high quantum down-conversion efficiency of short wavelengths (50% to 60%).
When thin films of silicon nanoparticles are deposited (sprayed) onto silicon substrates, ultraviolet light is absorbed and converted into electrical current. With appropriate connections, the film acts as nanosilicon photovoltaic solar cells that convert solar radiation to electrical energy.
The process of producing silicon nanoparticles is supported by 10 issued US patents, 7 pending US patents, 2 issued foreign counterpart patents and 19 pending foreign counterpart patents.
For additional information, please visit: www.octillioncorp.com.
Neat i bet that process also would have a side effect of increasing the net U value of the window it is applyed to.
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October 18, 2007 - 8:26pm
#20
Quote:
Originally posted by: Tom Yaz
I wont waste my time rebutting the latest goofy thoughts from DC, but about nuke power..
What we ought to go back to researching is breeder reactors.
The radioactivity of the waste is harmless after 35 years or
so...
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Right but what do you do with the waste and the waste water for that 35 years? thats what we are haveing difficulty with. To propery contain radioactive waste you need a lot of room under a controlled environment with some pretty well trained well equiped personel thats a lot of overhead. I have seen a few specials about nuke waste and the facilitys used to house it and i can agree that we know how to handel it but ultimatly why bother even haveing the reactors when its possible for us to not even have the reactors and to use sustainable energy sources like solar and wind. We finally have companys investing in old oil derrecks offshore to build up wind farm but why not go solar also in like arizona. There is so much potential for totally clean power i have a very hard time understanding why we do not utilize the technology and start harnessing what nature has given us. Instead we rely on these old technologies that pollute and require much more maintenance and upkeep and overhead. But this from the same backwards thinker that right now looks at a windows server 2003 and shakes his head saying what a waste of money because i have been learning linux and well why spend 2k on software (not to mention all the user agreements that are needed) when i could use a linux software and have better security and nearly the same features (just need to know a bit of linux) and spend that 2k on a better server or another server or even better yet take a commision based on how much money i save the company :)
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October 18, 2007 - 8:53pm
#21
http://www.ndt-ed.org/EducationResources/CommunityCollege/RadiationSafet...
Looks like a long day at the beach, huh?
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October 18, 2007 - 10:08pm
#22
dc is this the kid with the wind belt?
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/industry/4224763.html
My son got a potato to run a calculator in the school sience fair. This would top that.... Gonna look for the plans .....
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October 18, 2007 - 9:57pm
#23
How can you even begin to compare our desire to ease the burden on fuel costs and enviro concerns to Iran's atomic program???? Seriously dude! Get real!!!
Go ask the people living within 1000 miles of Chernobyl if atomic power was a good idea. Go ask the same question to the residents of Hiroshima Japan.
The Americans, and the Russians,,, the two premier superpowers of the 20th century were/have been VERY poor stewards of the neuclear program, and now you suggest we should quietly allow a 3rd world nation of screwed up homicidal cammel jockies have a go at it???
For just one moment, let's ignore the FACT that these people are literally SWIMMING in an OCEAN of oil, which could provide all the power they needed if only they would build a single refinery, and concentrate on their track record as human beings...
They prey to a god of hatred and evil. A religion that says it's ok to kill anyone and everyone who dis-agrees with you in any way. A religion that condones suicide if you "take out" a single infidel in the process. A religion that says it's ok to lie to someone in order to gain their trust so you can get close enough to them to kill them. A religion that ENCOURAGES them to beat women into submission, and murder them if they dis-obey.
I'm sorry buddy, but the last time someone tried to drop a building on my ass, he held firmly to those beliefs, so I refuse to trust ANY of them.
Energy independence? No problem Iran, just build yourselves a refinery and have all of it you want!
October 18, 2007 - 10:57pm
#24
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Originally posted by: Henry David Thoreau
http://www.ndt-ed.org/EducationResources/CommunityCollege/RadiationSafety/Graphics/Radiation-Burns.jpg
Looks like a long day at the beach, huh?
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ya that guy is as good as dead if he isnt dead allready the radiation he must have been subject to to get those burns should have been somewhere in the lethal range.
And pirate not to say i disagree with you but do keep something in mind. There is a reason that the people in alquida or whatever it is are considered extremists. There are many people that follow the same religion that are not so backwards in there thinking. The terrorist groups do the same thing the crusaders did in medevil times. They are creativly enterperating there religios beliefs to suit there needs. Believe it or not Muslam (sorry i am not sure how to type it) is more popular then christianty and all the flavors of christianity it is only in the US that christianity is more popular. Of course what is somewhat amusing to me is that Judiasim , Muslims, and Christians all worship similar books. Lol but i really should stop now because i allready turned this into a religious discussion and this thread will probably not stop now untill i am called a ignorant idiot multiple times and i am burned at the stake for being a non believer.
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October 18, 2007 - 11:21pm
#25
I love living in a free country
rif
October 19, 2007 - 6:07am
#26
Quote:
Originally posted by: FosilFool
dc is this the kid with the wind belt?
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/industry/4224763.html
My son got a potato to run a calculator in the school sience fair. This would top that.... Gonna look for the plans .....
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Yep that's him . There should be more testing results out sometime in Dec. It is a very cost effective solution that will work anywhere there is wind . It should work greaat in Washington DC and every state capitol as well due to all the hot air when there in session. Congrats to your son sounds like he's on the right path think outside the bubble.
October 19, 2007 - 8:08am
#27
Quote:
Originally posted by: Tom Yaz
I wont waste my time rebutting the latest goofy thoughts from DC, but about nuke power..
What we ought to go back to researching is breeder reactors.
The radioactivity of the waste is harmless after 35 years or
so...
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Hey Tom it is Goofy to you seeing the Leader of a nuclear Power Russia making deals with our deadly enemy Iran.
Whats goofy is that The Sitting President GWB thinks he can Bully the world into submission, and take what he wants.
It doesent work that way tom. It should have been bush shaking hands with the Iranians not Putin.
It should have been Bush preventing a useless war in Iraq.
You want to know what is beeing done with Nuclear waste well have you ever heard of Depleted Uranium amunition?
Go out and buy a gigacounter and head over to Iraq and test the ground its all radioactive.
Why do you choose to turn a blind eye to comon sence and reality.?
Oh you think your so un gooofy? you could shoot alot of crap and sound college educated but in a real world situation your pretty ignorant.
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October 19, 2007 - 9:17am
#28
Quote:
Originally posted by: DieselCrazy
Quote:
Originally posted by: Tom Yaz
I wont waste my time rebutting the latest goofy thoughts from DC, but about nuke power..
What we ought to go back to researching is breeder reactors.
The radioactivity of the waste is harmless after 35 years or
so...
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Whatever "Green" means to you, GreenRoadSupply.com helps you make it so.
Hey Tom it is Goofy to you seeing the Leader of a nuclear Power Russia making deals with our deadly enemy Iran.
Whats goofy is that The Sitting President GWB thinks he can Bully the world into submission, and take what he wants.
It doesent work that way tom. It should have been bush shaking hands with the Iranians not Putin.
It should have been Bush preventing a useless war in Iraq.
You want to know what is beeing done with Nuclear waste well have you ever heard of Depleted Uranium amunition?
Go out and buy a gigacounter and head over to Iraq and test the ground its all radioactive.
Why do you choose to turn a blind eye to comon sence and reality.?
Oh you think your so un gooofy? you could shoot alot of crap and sound college educated but in a real world situation your pretty ignorant.
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LOL!
Dc you are so confused you can keep track what you are saying:
Your first post:
"So here we have it Iran and Russia banding together to build a nuclear reactor so Iran can become energy Independent from fossil fuels and there economy and nation
can become more productive. "
You see it here as a good thing;
but in your last post:
"Hey Tom it is Goofy to you seeing the Leader of a nuclear Power Russia making deals with our deadly enemy Iran."
So you now see it as a bad thing..
And you wonder why I think you are a goofball?...
Yes I am college educated, but you dont need to be college educated to speak coherently...Shouldve spent you money on Sylvan Learning Center instead of the dope...
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October 19, 2007 - 12:18pm
#29
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Originally posted by: Pir8Darryl
How can you even begin to compare our desire to ease the burden on fuel costs and enviro concerns to Iran's atomic program???? Seriously dude! Get real!!!
Go ask the people living within 1000 miles of Chernobyl if atomic power was a good idea. Go ask the same question to the residents of Hiroshima Japan.
The Americans, and the Russians,,, the two premier superpowers of the 20th century were/have been VERY poor stewards of the neuclear program, and now you suggest we should quietly allow a 3rd world nation of screwed up homicidal cammel jockies have a go at it???
For just one moment, let's ignore the FACT that these people are literally SWIMMING in an OCEAN of oil, which could provide all the power they needed if only they would build a single refinery, and concentrate on their track record as human beings...
They prey to a god of hatred and evil. A religion that says it's ok to kill anyone and everyone who dis-agrees with you in any way. A religion that condones suicide if you "take out" a single infidel in the process. A religion that says it's ok to lie to someone in order to gain their trust so you can get close enough to them to kill them. A religion that ENCOURAGES them to beat women into submission, and murder them if they dis-obey.
I'm sorry buddy, but the last time someone tried to drop a building on my ass, he held firmly to those beliefs, so I refuse to trust ANY of them.
Energy independence? No problem Iran, just build yourselves a refinery and have all of it you want!
I have the same concerns about human rights as you.
However, ironically women have more freedoms in Iran than just about any other Islamic nation.
Also, the religion is not any more violent than Christianity. It?s the acculturation of hate toward the west that is.
Some clerics (like Pat Robertson) call for the destruction of the west while in church. Clearly this is wrong and should be stopped.
But what are we doing to fertilize this hatred?
I live in Texas. If the Chinese came to town, set up shop, drilled OUR oil and shipped it back home for pennies on the dollar while the people suffered, I would be radicalized.
What am I saying? I am radicalized. I dumpster dive for transportation energy rather than give my money to Exxon-Mobil. That's radical!
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October 19, 2007 - 12:36pm
#30
"I live in Texas. If the Chinese came to town, set up shop, drilled OUR oil and shipped it back home for pennies on the dollar while the people suffered, I would be radicalized."
Utter nonsense. One the fact that the arab nations get "pennies on the dollar" and two, that it is why they get radicalized.
They are radicalized becasue the people have little hope as their governments are repressive with little economic and social freedom. This despair is redirected at the US and Isreal by their governments and the radical clergy.
"Also, the religion is not any more violent than Christianity"
So tell me, would you rather live under the islamic sharia law or the Judeo-Christian-based laws of the west? You steal, you get your limbs cut off. You commit adultery; stoning. Honor killing is your justice for getting raped. Where your burkha or you might get flooged. Give your life to save others in Christanity and you will be rewarded. Blow yourself up in a marketplace and you get 72 virgins.
Yep definatley less violent than Christainity...puleeze!
Christianity had a violent history but it has reformed to more what it is supposed to be. Something Islam has not done.
"However, ironically women have more freedoms in Iran than just about any other Islamic nation"
I think the key term here is "other Islamic nations"
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October 19, 2007 - 1:49pm
#31
Tom - you may want to let 'Crazy know that you mean "Biblical stoning" - not the "recreational stoning" that he is thinking of. He probably thinks they have quite the good deal - do anything wrong and you can get yourself stoned! He's all for the bong - but when you explain it involves everyone throwing large rocks at you until you die - he may not be so enthusiastic about it.
October 19, 2007 - 2:47pm
#32
"Utter nonsense. One the fact that the arab nations get "pennies on the dollar" and two, that it is why they get radicalized.
They are radicalized becasue the people have little hope as their governments are repressive with little economic and social freedom. This despair is redirected at the US and Isreal by their governments and the radical clergy."
Agreed. the Saudi government (royal family) is complicit in exploiting limited natural resources for their (and our) gain. Its the people that get pennies on the dollar, not Prince Abdulla.
Can we agree that purchasing oil from the Middle East allows repressive governments to flourish?
"Also, the religion is not any more violent than Christianity"
"So tell me, would you rather live under the islamic sharia law or the Judeo-Christian-based laws of the west? You steal, you get your limbs cut off. You commit adultery; stoning. Honor killing is your justice for getting raped. Where your burkha or you might get flooged. Give your life to save others in Christanity and you will be rewarded. Blow yourself up in a marketplace and you get 72 virgins."
Yep definatley less violent than Christainity...puleeze!
Christianity had a violent history but it has reformed to more what it is supposed to be. Something Islam has not done.
You are right. These honor killings are barbaric. But what about our own death penalty? Western Europeans believe that state sanctioned killing (regardless of act) is medieval.
"However, ironically women have more freedoms in Iran than just about any other Islamic nation"
I think the key term here is "other Islamic nations"
If we want to forward the rights of women in Islamic nations we should begin with the most egregious ones. I cheered when the U.S. invaded Afghanistan. Solely because they were enslaving their mothers, sisters and daughters. We should have intervened long before.
Do U.S. women have equality? Equal access to money, education, the board room? 80 cents on the dollar. Long way to go baby.
I regularly think about what it would take to for me to fly myself and 100 other passengers into a tower. I would have to be pretty angry. And the basis of that anger would at least be based upon something experienced.
Dissmissing terrorism as crazy and irrational gets us nowhere. Trying to understand the sources of that frustration/anger and taking steps to alieviate the need to strike against the the west can save us all.
Not buying dino is a great place to start.
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October 19, 2007 - 3:09pm
#33
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Originally posted by: 81SD
Tom - you may want to let 'Crazy know that you mean "Biblical stoning" - not the "recreational stoning" that he is thinking of. He probably thinks they have quite the good deal - do anything wrong and you can get yourself stoned! He's all for the bong - but when you explain it involves everyone throwing large rocks at you until you die - he may not be so enthusiastic about it.
What's with the personal attacks? If he doesn't agree with you he's an abuser of illegal drugs?
Why all the hate?
October 19, 2007 - 3:12pm
#34
Again would you rather face western justice or sharia justice?
At least in the states we execute for murder, not for being gay.
The men who flew the planed where educated middle class
men, not some dirt poor oppressed folk. They were radicalized by elements in their religion. Has nothing to do with us other than our support of Isreal and trashy culture supplies the mullahs a "Satan" to rail against.
The only thing we can do to "alleviate" this as you put it, is to fight back and promote freedom.
Was Iraq the best place to start? I think Bush's admins mistake was to think Iraq was low hanging fruit. Certainly Afghanistan was a good choice as it was command central for Al Queda. I think we shouldve concentrated out efforts there. But hindsight is 20/20 of course.
Im with you buying the oil. Let the bastards drink it.
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October 20, 2007 - 5:39am
#35
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Originally posted by: Tom Yaz
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Originally posted by: DieselCrazy
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Originally posted by: Tom Yaz
I wont waste my time rebutting the latest goofy thoughts from DC, but about nuke power..
What we ought to go back to researching is breeder reactors.
The radioactivity of the waste is harmless after 35 years or
so...
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Hey Tom it is Goofy to you seeing the Leader of a nuclear Power Russia making deals with our deadly enemy Iran.
Whats goofy is that The Sitting President GWB thinks he can Bully the world into submission, and take what he wants.
It doesent work that way tom. It should have been bush shaking hands with the Iranians not Putin.
It should have been Bush preventing a useless war in Iraq.
You want to know what is beeing done with Nuclear waste well have you ever heard of Depleted Uranium amunition?
Go out and buy a gigacounter and head over to Iraq and test the ground its all radioactive.
Why do you choose to turn a blind eye to comon sence and reality.?
Oh you think your so un gooofy? you could shoot alot of crap and sound college educated but in a real world situation your pretty ignorant.
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LOL!
Dc you are so confused you can keep track what you are saying:
Your first post:
"So here we have it Iran and Russia banding together to build a nuclear reactor so Iran can become energy Independent from fossil fuels and there economy and nation
can become more productive. "
You see it here as a good thing;
but in your last post:
"Hey Tom it is Goofy to you seeing the Leader of a nuclear Power Russia making deals with our deadly enemy Iran."
So you now see it as a bad thing..
And you wonder why I think you are a goofball?...
Yes I am college educated, but you dont need to be college educated to speak coherently...Shouldve spent you money on Sylvan Learning Center instead of the dope...
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Tom the confusion is in your corner. Of course it is a good thing Russia is helping Iran build a nuclear power plant.
Of course we should have aided the Iranians in building a nuclear reactor.
Yeah well I think there are more people in the Sylvan learning center who have more sence then you. Your education made you into an unreasonable snob...
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October 20, 2007 - 10:14pm
#36
Check out http://www.freedomtofascism.com. Watch the movie (See "Watch for Free").
Soggy
October 23, 2007 - 10:56pm
#37
Hey DieselCrazy,,
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October 25, 2007 - 11:33am
#38
Whats goin on? Damm Conservatives...
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October 26, 2007 - 10:27pm
#39
Here's the deal, Osama Bin Laden and the George W. Bush family operate together, along with numerous other wealthy families. The CIA had chances to capture Osama but they didnt. Bush needed Osama to orchestrate the attacks on 9-11, Osama brainwashed a bunch of people into destroying the world trade center, even though it is unlikely that the the mere impact from the planes could have brought down the structures. In return Osama benifited from PUTS options on the stock market. Then we jumped into Afghanistan even though most of the hijackers were Saudis. We went into Afghanistan to establish Karzai who was a fromer consultant to UNOCAL. UNOCAL wanted to establish a pipeline through Afghanistan, in the 80's but the situation, became unstable with emergence the Taliban, so they pulled out. They are hoping the Afghanistan will stabilize so they can build their pipeline. Who knows what the real reason is on why we went into Iraq. We could have provided support to overthrows Sadam through Kuwait if we really wanted regime change. Why did we need to put our boots on the ground in Iraq? Anyway the bottom line is that there are a handful of families that control every aspect of our lives, and they would do anything to stay in power, lie, cheat and kill our own. So what do mean by we are free in America? I guess we are free to vote on pre chosen political candidates, (actually we dont even vote anymore with the introduction of vote machines), we are free to choose between different products, we are free to endlessly consume, we are free to live in the country with the highest incarceration rate, which means America locks up more of its citizens than any other country. Doesnt exactly sound like freedom to me. At one point we were free but i think all that changed in the 30's. But we will always have the freedom to use physical force and overthrow our government. Thank God for grassroots movements. I have all the evidence for what i said above if anyone is interested. Ron Paul 2008!
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October 26, 2007 - 11:21pm
#40
I sure hope you have the strap on your tinfoil helmet fastened securely! I wouldn't want the military to use the super-secret space-alien machines recovered from the crash at Roswell to beam any weird thoughts into your mind!
October 27, 2007 - 12:36am
#41
This quote is for the people who think like 81SD. So naive.
"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."
Henry Ford.
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October 27, 2007 - 6:44am
#42
October 27, 2007 - 8:38am
#43
socalgrease
If republicans conservatives grass root guys realized just how bad Bush W is fucking us they would revolt themselves but they sit back and listen to the preachers like Rush Hanity and the little worm.
You can show them hit them with evidence and they refuse to believe what is going on.
They think we are fightting terrorists hahahaha ROTFLMAO.
They dont realize that terrorists are fantoms not nations. So you cant be at war with a general public its called Supresion or forcing a society to kneel to your ideology and take there natural resourses.
Republicans, Conservatives, Righties cant come to reality. They cant make themselves belive that 911 was an optical illusion. like Hitler balming the jews for starting fires in nazi Germany. and the Romans did the same thing and blamed the Christians.
What they dont realize is when Hitler called out for total support and unification and dedication from the german people they were 95% all german like the Japonese who would die to the end.
The United States is a melting pot it can never happen full support of war is impossible because the world lives here in the United States.
So if we bomb Iran and Iran bombs Isreal with Military might from Russia are we going to bomb russia for supporting Iran and selling them Guns?
If I was president I would bring back the draft and I would draft by the money you or your family has the more money the higher on the draft you go. Then for all the ones who say my religion prhibits me from killing you would be looked up untill the war ends and work in the war effort in battle but just in the support role and if you happen to hit by a morter oh well.
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October 27, 2007 - 9:36am
#44
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Originally posted by: socalgrease
This quote is for the people who think like 81SD. So naive.
"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."
Henry Ford.
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"The world will not evolve past its current state of crisis by using the same thinking that created the situation." - A. Einstein
Henry said that BEFORE we abandoned the gold standard. Things made more send back then - when we started backing our dollar with nothing but faith - that's when things really went downhill! We can see that now as more and more lose faith...
So are you trying to imply that the tinfoil helmet is NOT working for you, or that the space-alien devices are able to penetrate it anyway? ;-)
DC - you can drop the tear-jerk, knee jerk photos. I would have been much happier if we hadn't sent a single soldier to Afghanistan or Iraq (or Iran). We should have demonstrated nuclear power close up and personally. If we are sending troops, we should follow Ghengis Khan's example - the enemy surrenders immediately or gets cut down to the last man, woman and child. War is pretty horrible, people should fear it.
October 27, 2007 - 10:18am
#45
81SD ur right when you invade you do with Extrem Violence and Execute Cilvilians unpon any resistance.
But we are not at war because of National threat or our lands are being over run by an enemy like when we fought for Texas and Mexico was the Defender a Standing Army and they were fought back by a Texas Militia. Or when Jackson took Florida from the Spanish.
We are Invading countries because of ideology and egotism. Bush is not our President he is doing nothing to better the lives of the American People who he works for. He has made life in this country worse with the help of Clinton and 41.
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October 27, 2007 - 11:11pm
#46
Diesel,
There are righties who have their heads screwed on right. I mean traditional conservatives, not repubtards or demtards who believe anything they are fed. You should check out Ron Paul, he is the only real conservative running and even if your not conservative you would really like some of things he has said in the recent presidential debates.
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October 27, 2007 - 11:24pm
#47
Quote:
Originally posted by: socalgrease
Diesel,
There are righties who have their heads screwed on right. I mean traditional conservatives, not repubtards or demtards who believe anything they are fed. You should check out Ron Paul, he is the only real conservative running and even if your not conservative you would really like some of things he has said in the recent presidential debates.
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"The world will not evolve past its current state of crisis by using the same thinking that created the situation." - A. Einstein
Socalgrease Im begining to think that all this election and party thing is waste of time and is running itself out.
It doesent matter who we vote for the out come is the same.
Maybe we should let bush stay in power and let his actions take its course and follow it to the end.
Maybe then will we get respect from the allmighty rullers and hoarders of wealth.
Maybe its time to fight for the world and domination and once there is a single rulling class the outcome will be better.
Hell Ron Paul Got my Primary Vote...
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October 28, 2007 - 11:47am
#48
Quote:
Originally posted by: socalgrease
Diesel,
There are righties who have their heads screwed on right. I mean traditional conservatives, not repubtards or demtards who believe anything they are fed. You should check out Ron Paul, he is the only real conservative running and even if your not conservative you would really like some of things he has said in the recent presidential debates.
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"The world will not evolve past its current state of crisis by using the same thinking that created the situation." - A. Einstein
It's not that I dislike Ron Paul - I don't think his time is now. All current momentum is against him - so putting him in charge at this point would do nothing productive. There needs to be a series of steps made to change our current course - and anyone trying to make an abrupt change will fail - and most likely swing the public in the other direction. I think we are 2-4 long, hard presidential terms away from reversing the mess that we are in and being able to move in his direction. We need to revamp our "cradle to the grave" social programs to make them "cost neutral". We need to quit exporting our wealth, manufacturing, technology and jobs. We need to drop the "tax the rich" mentality and make the poor realize that success is possible via education. We need to enforce personal responsibility - screw up bad enough and you will lead a miserable life, don't screw up and things can go well for you. We need to revamp our schools and get what we pay for out of them - rather than just pouring money for no return. Putting Ron Paul in charge at this point would be putting the cart before the horse - it's guaranteed to fail. He should instead be working to either reform the entire Republican party - or building a grass roots party to challenge the current system. The changes need to start at the local level and work upward. Changing from the top is too big of a fight.
October 28, 2007 - 12:00pm
#49
The rich seem to know how to work with the system to pay as few taxes as possible. I will say tho that one think i am very happy about with many rich people is that they would rather donate to charity then pay taxes which is a huge plus to the many charitable organizations.
There is just so much that needs to be done here in america to get things on the right track. And i personally have no love for politics. I will claim no affiliation with any party I am my own man and i have my own idea's and my mind is open to hearing other people so that i myself can learn and adapt.
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October 28, 2007 - 2:43pm
#50
Quote:
Originally posted by: 81SD
Quote:
Originally posted by: socalgrease
Diesel,
There are righties who have their heads screwed on right. I mean traditional conservatives, not repubtards or demtards who believe anything they are fed. You should check out Ron Paul, he is the only real conservative running and even if your not conservative you would really like some of things he has said in the recent presidential debates.
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"The world will not evolve past its current state of crisis by using the same thinking that created the situation." - A. Einstein
It's not that I dislike Ron Paul - I don't think his time is now. All current momentum is against him - so putting him in charge at this point would do nothing productive. There needs to be a series of steps made to change our current course - and anyone trying to make an abrupt change will fail - and most likely swing the public in the other direction. I think we are 2-4 long, hard presidential terms away from reversing the mess that we are in and being able to move in his direction. We need to revamp our "cradle to the grave" social programs to make them "cost neutral". We need to quit exporting our wealth, manufacturing, technology and jobs. We need to drop the "tax the rich" mentality and make the poor realize that success is possible via education. We need to enforce personal responsibility - screw up bad enough and you will lead a miserable life, don't screw up and things can go well for you. We need to revamp our schools and get what we pay for out of them - rather than just pouring money for no return. Putting Ron Paul in charge at this point would be putting the cart before the horse - it's guaranteed to fail. He should instead be working to either reform the entire Republican party - or building a grass roots party to challenge the current system. The changes need to start at the local level and work upward. Changing from the top is too big of a fight.
We need to drop the "tax the rich" mentality and make the poor realize that success is possible via education.
Right let the rich get free land to drill mine use up and use up all labor and they should be taxed equally to a guy who makes 150K Exxon ceo makes 98 million in one year and he deserves it. who the hell needs 98 million i call it gred and then you side and hell get off your ass trailer scum and get an education hahahaha u must have millions 81sd good for you...
81 have u ever heard of sharing the wealth there is so much money look 4 billion a week burned up in Iraq but no money for books poor seniors our grandparents our parents veterans who served and worked to keep to make this country what it is cant afford medicine I pay all my mothers co pays it costa me around 400.00 a month, and you agree we should all pay for our own healthcare? But bush wants to help iraq find demoracy or hipocracy...?
81 wake up get off ur republican wagon a get with the people...
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Yea but Diesel, ya know what, Iran can produce plenty of energy by harnessing the sun, they do not need the political and physical dangers of nuclear power, I am suspicious of Ahmadinejad.
"II. Case study: Solar thermal energy in Iran
1. Favourable natural conditions for the use of solar energy
Iran has a high amount of renewable energy sources: there are favourable
conditions for the profitable use of wind energy, very good opportunities for the
extension of water power use as well as an ideal setting for the use of solar
energy. The average global radiation for Iran is about 19.23 MJ/m2/day
(= 5.3 kWh/m2/day) and it is even higher in the central region of Iran, with more
than 7.7 hours per day (more than 2,800 hours per year).
The level of incoming global radiation (~2,000 kWh/m2 per year) in Iran is
globally one of the highest. In Germany, for example, the annual incoming global
radiation (~800-1,000 kWh/m2) is less than half of the Iranian average. Taking
into account the size of the Iranian territory (~1,648,000 km2) the total amount of
radiation in Iran is about 3.3 million TWh per year ? this is thirteen times higher
than the total energy consumption in Iran.
Despite these favourable natural radiative conditions there is hardly any use of
solar energy in Iran. In the past couple of years only about 4,000 solar thermal
installations per year were constructed"
http://www.ceers.org/News/Solar_Iran-Execut_Summary.pdf
Iran does not NEED to be a nuke power...
Rif