Finally a plug in hybrid

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http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SavingandDebt/SaveonaCar/The100mpgC...

They finally will allow u to plug the car in instead of showing off the "no plugging in necessary" as a bonus

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yeah yeah, its all BS in the end though. If you plug it in it will use more petroleum because we use petro to make electricity. So where would there be the "enviromentally friendly" part of it?

Hybird technology isnt proven, diesel engines and biodiesel are proven.

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I have allways wondered how long does a battery in a hybrid last before its junk? and what do we do with it when it becomes crap?

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11mm IP + lift pump = POWER
Another good veg site
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Hey now, PHEV is definitely the way to go:

Electricity may easily be supplied by renewables such as hydro, wind, PV, your home Lister burning WVO, or even nasty old nuke. You can also choose to purchase wind power if your local utility is fossil.

Even coal fired plants centralize the emissions such that less pollution and CO2 is emitted than if you burned the equivalent amount of gas or diesel in all those cars.

Battery packs are easily recyclable. In fact, you must turn in your old pack to Toyota to get a new one when the time comes. Also, battery and ultracapacitor tech is advancing at a dizzying pace.

But the real dream is diesel PHEV. Diesels are perfectly suited for hybrid applications, that's why many of the hybrid buses coming out are like this. Of course, if its a diesel, its WVO compatible! :)

Imagine, your local utility is mostly hydro. Your first 50 miles of driving at low speed are all electric. When it comes time to fire up the diesel, WVO preheated by some of that electricity is the fuel. Since I envision it still being necessary to purge before shutdown, a small tank of petrodiesel takes care of that. Can you say 1000 mpg on petrodiesel?

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Where i am from the electric company is in the stone age. Its funny when i look at my electric bill the fuel (coal) costs more then what they charge me for electricity. What does that say about my plants ability to produce power? i am no expert but it looks to me that my power plant can't effeciently produce power. Glad to hear that batterys are recycled and such i just hope that those huge batterys are not expensive. I am all for saveing the environment but i am also on a fixed budget so usually my first concern is how well it fits my budget.

I would love it if there was wind power around here but apparently kenedy has other feelings. I think its funny as hell when people think they are accually going to see the windmills off the coast. They are planned to be 25 miles awey from ther coast. Now anyone that has been a lookout on a ship knows you can only see 15 miles out on a clear calm day. I am the same "nutcast" that wants to see solar power out in the desert wastelands. A good system with monitors on it could be very low maintenance and notify technicians when there is a problem.

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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Running on Veg since summer 04 still learning new tricks.
11mm IP + lift pump = POWER
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html

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I have been thinking for a while about what a WVO burning diesel PHEV would look like. The main issue that I keep coming up against is heat. On electric mode, you don't generate much heat to warm your veg oil. But if you use electricity to heat it, then you reduce your all-electric range. This seems like a real dillemma. It would still make WVO worthwhile on long trips (where the electric is least helpful anyway) and in the heat of summer. Anyone else given any thought to this.

Also, on the issue of carbon emissions from power plants: the reason advocates are in favor of electricity (or electolyzed H2) as a transport power source, is the ability (in the future) of centralized plants to capture and sequester carbon, and (obviously) for PV, wind, biogas, etc to generate electricity carbon neutral. I'm not sure where TDI Guy is, but if he is in Mass, then most of his electricity comes from Hydro Quebec (Hydro and nuke). For a premium, he can get a 100% renewable product from National Grid, if that is his utility.

http://www.nationalgridus.com/masselectric/home/energychoice/3_renewable...

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Quote:
Originally posted by: TDIguy
I have allways wondered how long does a battery in a hybrid last before its junk? and what do we do with it when it becomes crap?

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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Running on Veg since summer 04 still learning new tricks.
11mm IP + lift pump = POWER
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html

I believe they are warrantied for 10 years.

since they contain some valuable metals, they will definitely be recycled.

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on the topic of heating.
Since these are prototype cars not yet built why not change them back to run on cold grease like the origonal diesel did? instead of making a Diesel engin to run on diesel make a WVO one to specifically run on WVO (and maybe diesel if u cant get WVO)

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Anyone can buy renewable generated electricity. Do a Google search and you'll find several companies. So it doesn't matter what your "local" power plant burns.

I have an answer for the heated WVO issue:

while plugged in, the WELL insulated WVO tank is heated electrically as well. While driving, since the tank is WELL insulated, minimal amounts of electricity would be needed to keep the tank up to temp. When you switch to WVO, a vegtherm or similar setup kicks in at first, just for any colder WVO in the line, but then shuts off once that is through.

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2005 VW Golf PD-TDI