Frybrid scams & Stolen Money
August 24, 2009 - 9:15pm
I just Want to alert all grease People about the Practices of Mr. Chris Goodwin and His Company. I had been ban form their web Site so I am Using This One as a public service related because their are some people in the Same Situation. This Guy does not return Money at all. I made a payment on January 2009 for a Kit and they Desappear basicly until May 2009. Excuses come from Backorder Items and Custom Parts. I am Alerting People that Mr. Chris & Frybrid Has more than 10 complains on the BBB about the Same Situation. The BBB Had been trying to find this guy but He does not respond and Does not want to answer any calls from this Thread. They Ask to pay In total but if you cancel for any reason He does not want to give you MOney back even if is not your fault. Actually If you had been in same Situation I encorouge you Guys to File A complain to the BBB and File a Form 1099Misc on The IRS. Ihope this will be Helpfull for anybody on the grease community because I lost $2000 from MR Goodwin and I just want to alert on this. If you want more details or Questions I am Trying to Find Other People on the same Situation so WE can work out somethig Toghether. A 1099 is a wonderful tool to try to stop this guy from continue stealing money from People. This IRS form help you for reporting someone who failed to pay taxes on earn income, Even if it earned by theft. I hope this will help. Fernando Q
August 26, 2009 - 12:58am
#1
August 26, 2009 - 10:59am
#2
That sucks....
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Mitch Rapp for president.
81 300TD (Gunther) blending.
81 VW Rabbit Caddy (Adolf) blending.
92 Dodge 250 extended Cummins Inter-cooled Turbo (Mad Max) 2-tank system.
August 26, 2009 - 6:00pm
#3
Yeah thats bullshit... If the BBB does what they are suppose to do, I would hope you would get your money back.
By the way, that dude is a total prick. The way he speaks in the forums turned me off on his product. He speaks like hes some kind of god when it comes to VO. Kind of like a Dana jr. or Sr. w/e floats your boat.
I hope the best to you. Hopefully the BBB gives him hell and more.
August 29, 2009 - 11:17pm
#4
Two sides to every story:
http://www.frybrid.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14405
I sent them money, waited four months as expected, and the product was of excellent quality, with good customer service.
September 1, 2009 - 1:35pm
#5
go pick some berries and learn some english you idiot
September 2, 2009 - 9:55am
#6
Quote:
Originally posted by: Goodwin
go pick some berries and learn some english you idiot
Wow. Hopefully this is a troll...
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2002 Ford F-250 221,000 miles; the last 20,000 on grease, 30 plate heat exchanger, CAT ELC w/external coolant filter, 6637 air filter w/ Pete's cover, 80W low beams/100W high beams, 3 ISSPro gauges, 2 Cyberdyne gauges. No grease related problems.
September 2, 2009 - 11:36am
#7
Quote:
Originally posted by: KirkH
Quote:
Originally posted by: Goodwin
go pick some berries and learn some english you idiot
Wow. Hopefully this is a troll...
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2002 Ford F-250 221,000 miles; the last 20,000 on grease, 30 plate heat exchanger, CAT ELC w/external coolant filter, 6637 air filter w/ Pete's cover, 80W low beams/100W high beams, 3 ISSPro gauges, 2 Cyberdyne gauges. No grease related problems.
Why do you say that?
Murph
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September 2, 2009 - 12:43pm
#8
Racist comment and calling someone an idiot? I think that's out of line.
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2002 Ford F-250 221,000 miles; the last 20,000 on grease, 30 plate heat exchanger, CAT ELC w/external coolant filter, 6637 air filter w/ Pete's cover, 80W low beams/100W high beams, 3 ISSPro gauges, 2 Cyberdyne gauges. No grease related problems.
September 2, 2009 - 1:18pm
#9
If that is, in fact, Mr Goodwin:
A.) Totally not surprising, coming from him.
B.) What happened to his oath to never post on the Greasecar forum? It's something that he likes to lord over other's heads over on his forum.
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1994 6.5 TD Dually Suburban
September 2, 2009 - 3:10pm
#10
Now, now, let's save the vitriol for the Fred's Chucklechumps. No need to start a grease-feud. :-p
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2005 VW Golf PD-TDI
September 2, 2009 - 9:40pm
#11
Could be someone using a pseudonym to make trouble for Chris (i.e., a troll), or could be Chris venting. I wouldn't jump to conclusions. "Go pick some berries?" Is that a racist colloquialism? I never heard it. I like picking berries.
September 3, 2009 - 12:28pm
#12
Quote:
Originally posted by: KirkH
Racist comment and calling someone an idiot? I think that's out of line.
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2002 Ford F-250 221,000 miles; the last 20,000 on grease, 30 plate heat exchanger, CAT ELC w/external coolant filter, 6637 air filter w/ Pete's cover, 80W low beams/100W high beams, 3 ISSPro gauges, 2 Cyberdyne gauges. No grease related problems.
Then you don't know Goodwin, because that's exactly how he is and what he says.
If you question him, or bring up differing opinions, he WILL talk down to you, and in a none too polite manner. He bashes his competitors, he bashes his customers, no one is safe.
Murph
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September 14, 2009 - 10:31pm
#13
And your evidence of that is?.....aside from the possible troll entry in this thread?
September 15, 2009 - 7:11am
#14
just go read his forums and you will see thats how he talks.
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I use to be ForrestGump.., ,My BLOG,
September 15, 2009 - 8:25am
#15
Quote:
Originally posted by: pselaphid
And your evidence of that is?.....aside from the possible troll entry in this thread?
If you have to ask this question, you're new to the grease scene.
Murph
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September 15, 2009 - 9:36am
#16
Nope, not new, actually I'm quite knowledgeable of the competing interests and systems. I just dislike all of this hearsay and finger pointing. I'm well aware of Chris' tendencies to use less than diplomatic language, but the previous posts have not provided any evidence that he is the person who posted that abusive snippet. If he's watching, perhaps he'll confirm it. And nobody has explained to me why the suggestion to "go pick some berries" is a racist comment.
September 15, 2009 - 11:08am
#17
I am going to assume that the berry picking reference is a dig on migrant workers.
September 15, 2009 - 11:21am
#18
Ah, yes probably. Not a regional slur involving berries. Any item of produce would work.
September 15, 2009 - 6:23pm
#19
I had a terrible experience with Frybrid. One of our customers wanted us to install the Frybrid kit that they had bought. It's a pretty good kit, but we had a problem with a part that was either a manufacturing defect or damaged by a mechanic. I asked him to consider giving it to us at cost since it wasn't clear whose fault it was. He not only said no, he sent a long email detailing exactly how stupid I was for somehow thinking that might be a possibility.
To be fair, I do know someone who bought a converted car from him and likes him.
I would never do business with him again under any circumstances.
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Jason Burroughs
DieselGreen Fuels
Austin, TX
http://www.dieselgreenfuels.com
September 15, 2009 - 7:01pm
#20
I put a Frybrid kit in the new bus this year (and then added some goodies from Rover Hybrids), and have had pretty good luck dealing with Chris. Yes, there was a long wait in getting the parts, but I was able to call Chris up on his cell phone with questions and to get advice. I know some people have real horror stories to share in dealing with him, but I just wanted to add something to the other side of the spectrum.
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'01 Dodge Ram 2500, Cummins HO, 4x4, 6 speed, home made system
'96 International DT466, home made system (www.thebiggreenbus.org)
'04 Jetta TDI Greasecar (chases the bus around the country)
'89 MCI 102A3, Detroit 8V92, conversion pending
September 16, 2009 - 11:45am
#21
I'm surprised to hear he answered his cell phone. He doesn't even answer the main line when i tried to call him literally dozens of times.
My experience with the kit manufacturers:
Justin at Greasecar - unfriendly and hard to reach. not really interested in interacting with the grease community.
Charles at Golden Fuel Systems - huge ego, thinks he knows it all
Chris at Frybrid - complete dick, also has huge ego
David at Fossil Free Fuels - very friendly, responsive, great to work with
Ray Ackley of VO Controller - great guy, responsive, good experience all around
Plant Drive crew (can't remember names) - not bad, but a little snarky in emails after being asked questions.
These personality issues are why the National Vegoil Board failed. Nobody wanted to work with anyone else.
I wish you all the best in your greasing, but for me, the writing is on the wall - conversions for 2008+ vehicles will not happen, or if they do it will be VERY limited.
I'm back on biodiesel and expect the conversion "industry" to wither and die, and become a hobby again.
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Jason Burroughs
DieselGreen Fuels
Austin, TX
http://www.dieselgreenfuels.com
September 16, 2009 - 1:30pm
#22
I am still a bit confused on the Comment "learn some english and go pick some berries"
Is that an insult to berries? If so what kind of berries? Is it an insult to berry eaters or berry pickers? What if you both pick and eat the berries-does that need to be two insults? If you speak English and another language + pick berries do you qualify for the insult?
I wish the poster would be more specfic when insulting any racial group. If the statement made had been about picking cotton, we would assume an insult to blacks. A comment of bean picking would be more targeted toward toward workers from Mexico. Fruit or apples gathering is geared more toward slurs on South American immigrants. Likewise a snarky remark about cutting sugar cane would be pointed toward Haitians or Jamicians.
Just not enough information ;-)
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If you find yourself in a fair fight -you have not planned correctly
September 16, 2009 - 9:39pm
#23
Quote:
Originally posted by: Neurot
My experience with the kit manufacturers:
To add to that:
Gregg at Vegpower - doesn't make full kits, but pretty easy deal with and will take care of things promptly.
Shane at Rover Hybrids - great guy to deal with. We spent lots of time on the phone with him this summer trouble shooting various quirks on the bus, and he is very knowledgeable and willing to help.
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'01 Dodge Ram 2500, Cummins HO, 4x4, 6 speed, home made system
'96 International DT466, home made system (www.thebiggreenbus.org)
'04 Jetta TDI Greasecar (chases the bus around the country)
'89 MCI 102A3, Detroit 8V92, conversion pending
September 17, 2009 - 10:49am
#24
Jason- I don't see it as a complete roadblock for wvo kits...control the timing of the dpf burnoff and its doable. Granted, that involves getting into the ecu, but with everything going common rail its inevitable that we need to go in that direction. It seems like it'll be a tougher road for biodiesel unless bio-friendly dpfs become the norm, or at least cheap enough to economically swap over...
and for the people in the industry, you have to take into account the amount of call volume and everything that goes into this. We (gc staff) spend a lot of time and effort trying to provide the good customer service....which allows justin to focus on r&d and expanding the applications (which does help the community...just isn't as directly involved).
Petec/all - that was blackgrease, not anyone associated with frybrid...you're probably not going to get an explanation
September 17, 2009 - 4:23pm
#25
I was wondering how long it would take someone to point out that it was blackgrease that made the objectionable statement. If Chris has an issue with someone, it's usually personal - I cannot recall any slams on anybody for race/gender. Kirk, Frank, Brian and Chase - you really didn't figure this out?
So far the most poignant example of racism I've seen on any grease forums has been committed by the guy that identifies himself in his forum name primarily by his race. Where's Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton when you need them? Shouldn't they be protesting and seeking financial compensation for themselves? Aren't they the "Racism Squad"?
September 17, 2009 - 5:34pm
#26
Quote:
Originally posted by: Neurot
I'm surprised to hear he answered his cell phone. He doesn't even answer the main line when i tried to call him literally dozens of times.
My experience with the kit manufacturers:
Justin at Greasecar - unfriendly and hard to reach. not really interested in interacting with the grease community.
Charles at Golden Fuel Systems - huge ego, thinks he knows it all
Chris at Frybrid - complete dick, also has huge ego
David at Fossil Free Fuels - very friendly, responsive, great to work with
Ray Ackley of VO Controller - great guy, responsive, good experience all around
Plant Drive crew (can't remember names) - not bad, but a little snarky in emails after being asked questions.
These personality issues are why the National Vegoil Board failed. Nobody wanted to work with anyone else.
I wish you all the best in your greasing, but for me, the writing is on the wall - conversions for 2008+ vehicles will not happen, or if they do it will be VERY limited.
I'm back on biodiesel and expect the conversion "industry" to wither and die, and become a hobby again.
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Jason Burroughs
DieselGreen Fuels
Austin, TX
http://www.dieselgreenfuels.com
this is like comparing apples to cows.
1st. how long have those grease companys been in business?
2. how much time have they spent figuring grease out to work?
3. how many of those copmany just copied the older companys?
4. how many greasy miles have they drove?
5. how much MONEY has those company invested into grease?
6. I could go on and on and on and on.
the way i see it is why don't you call walmart and ask to talk to the CEO? tell him you have alittle money to invest and you have spent alittle time thinking about this and want to talk to him ALL day about it. You would have a better chance talking to the guy with the little fruit stand on the corner. the Older grease companys have spent 1000's of greasy miles and time and MONEY in this grease bizz. what can you offer them when you call and ask to talk to the CEO of the company? like i said apples to cows..
If i had which i don't but if i had a grease company i would have someone answering the phone and ask( how much time and money are you going to invest in grease?) from there i would know if they should direct to call to the mechanic, janitor, or parts department. but why the CEO of the company? I think everyone gets my point...
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I use to be ForrestGump.., ,My BLOG,
September 17, 2009 - 6:35pm
#27
Quote:
Originally posted by: 81SD
I was wondering how long it would take someone to point out that it was blackgrease that made the objectionable statement. If Chris has an issue with someone, it's usually personal - I cannot recall any slams on anybody for race/gender. Kirk, Frank, Brian and Chase - you really didn't figure this out?
So far the most poignant example of racism I've seen on any grease forums has been committed by the guy that identifies himself in his forum name primarily by his race. Where's Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton when you need them? Shouldn't they be protesting and seeking financial compensation for themselves? Aren't they the "Racism Squad"?
I thought it abundantly clear that it was not Chris, just someone wanting to start a silly grease feud. Chris may have his soup-nazi issues, but he's definitely stand-up enough not to get involved in this nonsense.
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2005 VW Golf PD-TDI
January 1, 2010 - 1:20pm
#28
WEll Mr goodwin, Iam Sorry for your poprr spanish and also a complete misunderstanding of English by you. Of course What Kind an idiot would write in anothers company forums having his own "Crapy fool" forum. Anyway I hope you will read this and Understand it. " A cada Lechon le llega su Navidad" So i will translate for your little head so you can understand you idiot. "I'll be back And I will find you" until now good Buena suerte con el IRS.. Best Regards
January 2, 2010 - 2:41pm
#29
He did the same to me. I purchased something over three months ago and he has promised my refund and will not send it. STAY AWAY FROM THIS GUY. HE IS A THIEF.
June 20, 2012 - 7:10am
#30
Add me to the list of money sent, no kit sent, request refund, no response..... Please contact me as I do want legal action against this guy. It is about time! And here is a blog started tonight devoted to Mr Goodwin's rip offs http://frybridscam.blogspot.com
June 27, 2012 - 8:09pm
#31
Well, squeaky wheel gets greased! I just signed for a large package from Frybird delivered by UPS... havent opened it yet. I just hope it has all the parts and the right ones! Anyone want to gamble that there is a problem?
June 28, 2012 - 6:16am
#32
I'm surprised you got a kit. I didn't think he was even in business anymore. Maybe leftover parts he had in the shop?
June 28, 2012 - 9:42am
#33
Frybrid apears to no longer market kits but apparrently is still fabricating them.
Another Limited Liability Company appears to have been started by Chris to market them. Alternative Energy Systems was created when Chris started marketing his anti-oxidation additive. He later tried to blame the owner of AES for Frybrids chronic failure to ship kits in a timely manner. But public records showed that Chris ALSO owned AES and pissed off customers soon exposed THAT.
So the money for a Frybrid kit (owned by CG) now goes to AES (owned by CG) and Frybrid is liable for problems with the kit while AES is liable for problems associated with the purchase of Frybrid kits.
Chris may have decided that once problems (he claimed were not possible with his kits) started showing up it was time to make sure the LLC liable for those problems was unable to be sued for remedying those problems. This is fairly standard (if somewhat shady) procedure in business. That seems reduntantly redundant since it is extremely hard to sue the owner of a LLC and ever actually recover the money from it's owner.
Frankly I think Frybrid is out of business for all practical purposes. When page after page of horror storys show up when you google "frybrid complaints" only the extremely naive will buy a kit from Frybrid. Too bad. It was a decent kit. Chris just didn't have the people skills to sucessfully market it long term.
June 28, 2012 - 10:26am
#34
He didn't even need people skills; shipping skills would have been adequate.
June 28, 2012 - 2:39pm
#35
phil... its funny dana said that
June 28, 2012 - 3:15pm
#36
LOL
June 28, 2012 - 8:09pm
#37
You may (or may not) notice that top on most lists of people skills is communicating clearly.
http://www.skillsyouneed.co.uk/interpersonal_skills.html
http://www.lifehack.org/articles/lifestyle/10-skills-you-need-to-succeed-at-almost-anything.html
http://www.askmen.com/money/career/28_career.html
Not that "bite me" is not clear. In a juvenile way.
June 29, 2012 - 5:40am
#38
Um, I guess there is yet another company.... my package came from Frybird LLC not Frybrid LLC....... the r and i are switched on the label on my box... Since I am now banned from the forum and cant get in without being sneaky, plus nothing arived with any directions or schematics or anything..... anyone in southern california wanna help do an install on a 6.2 ??
June 29, 2012 - 10:27am
#39
At one time, Frybrid had the installation instructions on the website. You could also post on the forum (under a new name) and I'm sure someone has them. They'll be pretty eager to help with any questions.
There is a greasers club down around San Diego.
June 29, 2012 - 10:28am
#40
Try this for instructions.
http://www.frybrid.com/manual.htm
And this.
http://www.frybrid.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=94
June 29, 2012 - 12:39pm
#41
Where in SD do you reside in? As members of the Greater San Diego Greaser Group, we are always ready to help. The manual is available as stated in the above post. Presently the three new members have started to install their conversions - one Dodge (home brew), and two MBs (one kit and one HB). The GSDGrs have a lively exchange of updates to their conversions, questions, links to new products that might be of interest to the group. Our mission statement gives a description of what our group stands for. Google GSDG and join on line. We meet at 1 pm each month on the second Sat. alternating between Walmart (Clairiemont Mesa Blvd & 805) and in Carlsbad at Armstrongs Nursey parking lot, Flower Fields ( I-5 and Palomar Airport Rd). Next meeting this month will be on July 14th in Carlsbad. Send me a PM if you would like to make E-mail contact.
June 29, 2012 - 10:24pm
#42
San Diego is pretty f-a-r from me...... Im in the Mojave Desert, about 150 miles east of Bakersfield...... I was hoping maybe someone in the Bakersfield or Barstow or Mojave or Victorville or even Pismo Beach area....
Thanks for the links JR! The first one I can get easy :D the other says Im banned forever lol...... will have to check it out thru the backdoor!
June 29, 2012 - 10:41pm
#43
So you, paying customer, are banned from his forum and can't access instructions. Meanwhile all those morons on the political sub-forum, who would never part with the cash to buy a kit, are posting all day and night. No wonder he's out of business.
June 29, 2012 - 11:25pm
#44
I sure would like to "like" that Phil if we had the button on this forum!
June 30, 2012 - 12:21am
#45
So you guys know Im not full of it, I just posted a video unpacking the kit. My son video taped it and it was our first video, so go easy on me about the quality :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBzHjCFDyJc
June 30, 2012 - 7:50am
#46
The video was fine - congratulate your son. I especially liked when you crawled inside the box.
If you ordered (and paid for) a pump, I did not see one in the video. And I'm sure you are misssing other parts. Keep your case with the Attorney General open...
Is your garage a shipping container? Or are you a stowaway on the high seas?
June 30, 2012 - 2:03pm
#47
LOL yes it is a shipping container! I got it last month and am making a work shed out of it :D
http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr315/happycamperbrat/house/Mynewshop.jpg
http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr315/happycamperbrat/house/Donniestiresforsale017.jpg
http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr315/happycamperbrat/house/Donniestiresforsale016.jpg
Isnt that smaller brown box that I opened up in the video at about 6:00 the Raptor Pump? Chris told me to buy a marine fuel pump for $30.00 from Napa (he told me this before we had our falling out). This is a ccp from his email about what I was supposed to get and the pump I needed:
Chevrolet 6.2 system complete $2145.00
Additional valve $80.00
Raptor pump $300.00
Fuel pump – The original fuel pump can be replaced with a Marine fuel pump, these have two diaphragms rather than one. The inlet and outlet can then be connected to one another with a section of fuel line filled with diesel fuel, this keep the pump functional and usable. In this way if ever the electric pump were to fail you would be able to connect to the stock pump and get home.
An electric pump has several advantages; most notable is that it allows the system to be primed without cranking the motor and burning up the starter.
Tank – Fits under the vehicle on the drivers’ side, between the frame rail and the driveline. Does not change ground clearance.
June 30, 2012 - 4:23pm
#48
I didn't look at the video again, but I never noticed a pump. I saw what looked like a filter, and you were talking about a pump. If it is a Raptor pump, it should say Raptor on it and have an electrical connector. Does yours have that?
Nice pictures. Looks like you're out in the middle of the desert. Any vegetable oil out there?
June 30, 2012 - 6:36pm
#49
So this is just a filter housing? http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr315/happycamperbrat/Frybrid/004.jpg Crap!!! I googled and saw what the "raptor pump" looks like, and NO I did not get one but I sure as heck paid for one!
Ive waited so long to get this set up. I dont ever expect Chris to come thru with the pump now. I just did an online search looking for one to fit my 1983 GMC Chevy 6.2L and apparently they are not available anymore, as I sure could not find one. Maybe that was what the hold up was on him sending my kit? The pump was ordered at the same time as the kit, but it is "separate" from the kit and in all fairness Chris only told me he had 4 "kits" sitting on his shelf...... not 4 "raptor pumps". For the amount of agrivation involved, I would just like to get another pump that will do the job...... if possible. The way I understand it is that this pump is on the veggie side of the system and feeds the oil to the engine...... while my stock pump (or if I replace my stock pump as Chris suggested) feeds diesel to the engine correct?
Yup! Hot, windy and dry desert! Im jealous of everyone living where summer temps dont go above 100
And yes, there are a couple small towns around here where the owners still have to haul their wvo to the dump or whatever to get rid of it.
June 30, 2012 - 6:46pm
#50
That is a filter. A nice one, but just a filter. I agree you should just buy a pump that will work and get on with your conversion; it is unlikely you will get one anytime soon from Frybrid. Is this kit foir a Suburban? You can get a fuel pump from Greasecar (and they will ship it right away).
But since you paid for the pump, you should at least be entitled to a refund.
Desert looks nice. 100 and dry doesn't sound any worse than 95 and humid. Or 35 and raining. My daughter loves the movie (and the book) "Holes". It kind of looks like the area behind your shed.
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