I RACED A TOYOTA HYBRED TODAY AND LOST :}:}:}
June 17, 2007 - 6:23pm
i had my car 97 190D on display all day at PINELLAS GREEN LIVING EXPO THE PEOPLE LOVED IT.. on the way home a guy in a hybred was at a red light asking about the veggie, we talked then i told him to floor it to the floor when the light turned green. that hybrd must have been in the gas mode cause it took off and left me in the dust. i bet a turbo charged 6 cilinder mercedes diesel would have been right up with him or ahead of him
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June 17, 2007 - 7:43pm
#2
my family has two hybrids. they're peppy little cars. the trick to racing them is to sit long enough that the gas engine shuts down. then when the driver floors it they'll go up to about 10mph real quick on the electric, then theres a delay before the gas kicks in...
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1982 Mercedes 300D turbo diesel
Status: greasing!
exhaust and electric heat only
June 18, 2007 - 8:57am
#3
i thought the hybred would take off slow like a electric car. it must have had a 6 cilinder gas motor in it cause it hauled ass
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June 18, 2007 - 2:13pm
#4
Quote:
Originally posted by: one tank fla. mercedes
i thought the hybred would take off slow like a electric car. it must have had a 6 cilinder gas motor in it cause it hauled ass
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OT- the electric cars are really fast. There is no lag time between pressing on the pedal and getting fuel. As soon as the pedal goes down the wheels are turning. Check out the 4 second 0-60 time of the Tesla Roadster (fully electric). That is really fast.
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Andrew
1983 Mercedes 300D Turbo- 171K
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June 18, 2007 - 11:57pm
#5
Quote:
Originally posted by: one tank fla. mercedes
i thought the hybred would take off slow like a electric car. it must have had a 6 cilinder gas motor in it cause it hauled ass
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Someone never played with RC cars when they were a kid :)
Seriously tho with a electric engine the one thing i have to say even tho i strongly dislike the concept of hybrid verhicles (we can do better and make it a lot more simple my dam tdi gets an average of 45 mpg with me driving like a maniac!) an electric engine can deliver a LOT of power straight to the pavement! all at once you floor it and those magnets just scream!
Check out the 0-60 on the tesla roadster some time :) not exactly and affordable car but it is a production electric spoarts car and a great example of just what can be done if we want to make it happen. There just is not enough market for it.
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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Veg 04-06 now mixing into the HHO
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html
June 19, 2007 - 5:04am
#6
Remember One-Tank,
Slow and Steady wins the race!
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June 28, 2007 - 11:31pm
#7
to all,
my ("new to me"!) '85 MB 300sd is "slower than molasses off the line" BUT is FAST out on the interstate (i had it up to 95MPH last night late, with plenty of pedal left.)
since it weighs > 4800 pounds with fuel & passengers, it's NOT a dragster. otoh, i'd bet "the little electric box" couldn't keep up with me on I95 from VA to FL!!!
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
June 28, 2007 - 11:42pm
#8
Quote:
Originally posted by: stand watie
to all,
my ("new to me"!) '85 MB 300sd is "slower than molasses off the line" BUT is FAST out on the interstate (i had it up to 95MPH last night late, with plenty of pedal left.)
since it weighs > 4800 pounds with fuel & passengers, it's NOT a dragster. otoh, i'd bet "the little electric box" couldn't keep up with me on I95 from VA to FL!!!
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
Sorry but i would really doubt a MB would beat any verhicle especially on the highway. The thing is just too heavy. even with 30 gallons of fuel onboard you will probably have to fill up before the hybrid.
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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Veg 04-06 now mixing into the HHO
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html
June 29, 2007 - 11:16am
#9
tdi guy,
well, i drove it over 95MPH to Gaithersburg & back (>100Miles each way from here.). FEW hybrids can do that.
fyi, i've always had a lead foot. & the road at 2am was wide open.
fyi, i was talking about speed, rather than distance.
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
June 29, 2007 - 12:35pm
#10
My Veggie MB will not pass anything except a gas station
June 29, 2007 - 12:47pm
#11
petec,
you MUST own a 240D, with auto transmission.
my brother has one of those & i think a HORSE could outrun it!!!
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
June 29, 2007 - 1:26pm
#12
Quote:
Originally posted by: one tank fla. mercedes
i had my car 97 190D on display all day at PINELLAS GREEN LIVING EXPO THE PEOPLE LOVED IT.. on the way home a guy in a hybred was at a red light asking about the veggie, we talked then i told him to floor it to the floor when the light turned green. that hybrd must have been in the gas mode cause it took off and left me in the dust. i bet a turbo charged 6 cilinder mercedes diesel would have been right up with him or ahead of him
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Pulled up to a Prius Hybrid at a stop light. The woman was eating french fries. All I could think was ... keep eating those fries.... :)
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Veggiefuel@verizon.net
~10k miles on veggiefuel
1998 VW TDI New Beetle
June 29, 2007 - 4:57pm
#13
veggiefuel1,
CHUCKLE!
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
June 29, 2007 - 7:34pm
#14
Quote:
Originally posted by: stand watie
petec,
you MUST own a 240D, with auto transmission.
my brother has one of those & i think a HORSE could outrun it!!!
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
Only for a little while. Sooner or later the horse will get tired and the car will catch up!
June 30, 2007 - 2:01am
#15
Quote:
Originally posted by: 81SD
Quote:
Originally posted by: stand watie
petec,
you MUST own a 240D, with auto transmission.
my brother has one of those & i think a HORSE could outrun it!!!
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
Only for a little while. Sooner or later the horse will get tired and the car will catch up!
You sure that the mb wont run out of fuel first?
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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Veg 04-06 now mixing into the HHO
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html
June 30, 2007 - 2:02am
#16
Quote:
Originally posted by: stand watie
tdi guy,
well, i drove it over 95MPH to Gaithersburg & back (>100Miles each way from here.). FEW hybrids can do that.
fyi, i've always had a lead foot. & the road at 2am was wide open.
fyi, i was talking about speed, rather than distance.
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
Sorry man i gotta burst your bubble on this but 95 mph is not fast. And if its so easy for your mb to do that why did the guy with the surposed record for alt fuel have to polish up and lighten up his MB to get it to go that fast? Perhaps your speedo is off. I accually know mine is off by +5mph But now i have a scanguage also in the car that accually give me correct speed.
I cant believe that anyone with a "lead foot" would buy a MB I guess it saves you a lot of money on tickets at least.
Your MB will not out speed any semi modern production car. Those things are overweight and under powered.
Its too late to free dixie you lost that war centuries ago.
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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Veg 04-06 now mixing into the HHO
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html
June 30, 2007 - 1:11pm
#17
I have a 300Sd MB 1984 with custom 30+ gallon tank in the trunk. With both WVO and Diesel tanks full the car has all the pick-up and speed of a scared turtle. I think it goes 0-60 in 60 minutes. However once up to speed nothing can stop it.
When I bought the 300SD "Tank" my wife wanted to know if the 300SD had air bags. I told her-if you every hit anybody-THEY need the air bags.
June 30, 2007 - 1:48pm
#18
tdiguy;petec;all,
fwiw, i can tell that you've NEVER driven on the autobahn!!!
300SDs were DESIGNED to run at FULL THROTTLE all across the BRD. 100MPH was/IS common for the SD. (pardon me, but i AM correct about this.)
i've wanted a "Autobahn Lokmotive" every since i rode in one in 1970, but at first couldn't AFFORD one (on a 2LT's pittance = $ 220.oo a month!) & then until last Sunday couldn't FIND a "rustfree, good-running example", when i DID have the bucks.
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
July 1, 2007 - 2:25am
#19
Quote:
Originally posted by: stand watie
tdiguy;petec;all,
fwiw, i can tell that you've NEVER driven on the autobahn!!!
300SDs were DESIGNED to run at FULL THROTTLE all across the BRD. 100MPH was/IS common for the SD. (pardon me, but i AM correct about this.)
i've wanted a "Autobahn Lokmotive" every since i rode in one in 1970, but at first couldn't AFFORD one (on a 2LT's pittance = $ 220.oo a month!) & then until last Sunday couldn't FIND a "rustfree, good-running example", when i DID have the bucks.
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
Fine post a video of it. I watched that guy with the surposed record running a MB on veg oil STRUGGLE to get the car up to 95mph.
I 100% do not believe you becuase of what i saw that guy go through trying to get that MB up to speed he even pulled out the spare tire and reat seat to get it up to speed. You can claim autobaun all you want it does not SHOW me anything. There is a nice youtube video cliping of a news reporter trying to get one of those up to speed and sorry but you loose they are large overweight underpowered verhicles. My little 1.9liter engine in my VW has TONS more pickup go and top end then those thigns can even dream about haveing.
O also anyone makeing statement about the other guy needing air bags has never studied physics. The inertia from an accident on a verhicle not desighned with crumple zones and air bags will be transfered directly to the person in the drivers seat. Big verhicle little verhicle the only thing that matters is how well your verhicle absorbs or slows down how fast and how much of the force of the accident is transfered to the driver. If you are in a verhicle that does not have crumple zone abs brakes or airbags you get to eat the full force for the impact when you car comes to a screaching halt. Meanwhile the guy in the smaller compact car with airbags and crumple zones undoes his seat belt shakes his head a bit and gets out of his car to sit on the curb.
The only way a bigger verhicle would win in a collision situation would be if the verhicle does not fully stop so it had enough force to plow through the other verhicle and continue on. If the car stops you eat just as much force accident wise as the other car only differance is the safety features if you dont have airbags and such the steering wheel is going to slam into your chest possibally killing you. The only thing driving a bigger heavyer verhicle does is introduce more impact force into the equasion and unfortunantly that works against you because BOTH verhicles end up eating it.
Rememebr equal and opposite reaction.
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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Veg 04-06 now mixing into the HHO
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html
July 1, 2007 - 10:48am
#20
My old Benz did a pretty nice job of keeping up to an older Miata if I wanted it to. There would be a black cloud of smoke tailing me, but it was capable of getting out of it's own way.
Making a fair comparison with a VW, you'll have to start out with an automatic tranny in the VW - or a stick shift in the Benz. Sorry - but after driving an auto-equipped diesel Golf AND a Benz, I can tell you it makes for a sad drag race and the Golf doesn't have anything against the Benz. Which one is faster? I honestly couldn't say - after a certain amount of time (during the acceleration), you stop caring. If you are going to hop up the VW, you should be aware that a diesel Benz can be hopped up quite a bit as well - ya gotta compare apples to apples here. There again, it's not really fair to compare a $35k (in 1982 $) hand-made machine that has already survived twice as long as most cars and comparing it to cheap plastic crap (the VW) that just came out of the factory and may not make it to the end of the week!
About those accident figures - the thing that matters more than air bags and crumple zones (you'll find the MB is designed quite well with crumple zones) is the rate of deceleration of the bodies involved. When something big hits something small, the small thing is usually bounced backwards after some deforming. The larger object suffers rapid deceleration - but it is not reversed in direction. The safer approach is being in the big vehicle with an airbag - while the worst approach is the small vehicle without that airbat.
That rapid deceleration suffered by both vehicles causes the occupants to have their organs slammed forward. Slowing that deceleration is what helps the survival rate (not including having the body make inpact on fixed objects!). If the big car goes from 60 mph down to 10 mph during the course of the impact (slowing down afterwards to 0), while the little car does 60 mph down to -10 mph (changing directions and reversing course), the bodies that are in the vehicles drop 50 mph and 70 mph respectively. If the small car's air bag slows the forward motion of the body down, it helps - but if the course is reversed during this process, the air bag will end up increasing the force on the body, not lowering it.
That rate of deceleration - or reverse acceleration in the smaller vehicle - is what causes all kinds of internal damage. Crumple zones and air bags are all about spreading out the impact over a longer period of time in order to reduce the damage to the body. Wear your seat belt and you have a reasonable shot at survival. Try not to hit anything bigger than you. If you guys want to prove which one is safer and go for the 60 mph head-on challenge, I'll put my money on the Benz driver as being better off afterwards.
Equal and opposite - but when the mass is NOT equal, you'll find momentum is what hurts. The little car gets hit and ricochets like a ping-pong ball!
July 1, 2007 - 11:27am
#21
Considering how well VW's have rated on safety i would bet the driver stand up and walks awey and the mb driver is pulled out via jaws of life.
As far as reliability goes my little plastic wont last tillnext week vw has over 163k miles on it right now and would gladly smoke any and every 1980's mb stick shift or auto tranny turbo or not. From the factory these things have 10x the balls those clunky old overweight mb did.
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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Veg 04-06 now mixing into the HHO
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html
July 1, 2007 - 7:26pm
#22
Quote:
Originally posted by: TDIguy
Considering how well VW's have rated on safety i would bet the driver stand up and walks awey and the mb driver is pulled out via jaws of life.
As far as reliability goes my little plastic wont last tillnext week vw has over 163k miles on it right now and would gladly smoke any and every 1980's mb stick shift or auto tranny turbo or not. From the factory these things have 10x the balls those clunky old overweight mb did.
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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Veg 04-06 now mixing into the HHO
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html
LOL! Yep, the VW driver would stand up and walk away - into the light... Hell - the VW makes a nice casket, no sense wasting any effort to pull the body out.
Let's look at the numbers - the "sleek, lightweight" VW Mark 4 4-dr Golf weighs in at 2989 lbs, equipped with an automatic - and packs an earth-shaking 90 hp - for 33.21 lbs/hp. The "clunky old overweight" 300SD bellies up at 3625 lbs and puts out 120 hp - for 30.21 lb/hp. Looks like the little car is the sow here. Hey - I've had one of each. The VW was somewhat underwhelming - and held up poorly. I wouldn't touch another one except to push it over a cliff. THAT would be worth the effort.
Sorry to hear about the smoke though! Maybe you can up the boost and take care of that problem...
July 1, 2007 - 10:18pm
#23
to TDIguy,
frankly, i couldn't care less what you "believe".
since reading your UNsupported,UNknowing OPINION, i took the SD "out for a run" on a mostly deserted, flat, stretch of I-95.
according to my stopwatch, i had the SD up to 101MPH in the "measured rolling mile".
furthermore, according to:
www.zwoachzig.de/en-us/300sd.htm,
the top speed of an 1985 "US spec." 300SD is 106MPH.
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
July 1, 2007 - 11:20pm
#24
Quote:
Originally posted by: 81SD
Quote:
Originally posted by: TDIguy
Considering how well VW's have rated on safety i would bet the driver stand up and walks awey and the mb driver is pulled out via jaws of life.
As far as reliability goes my little plastic wont last tillnext week vw has over 163k miles on it right now and would gladly smoke any and every 1980's mb stick shift or auto tranny turbo or not. From the factory these things have 10x the balls those clunky old overweight mb did.
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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Veg 04-06 now mixing into the HHO
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html
LOL! Yep, the VW driver would stand up and walk away - into the light... Hell - the VW makes a nice casket, no sense wasting any effort to pull the body out.
Let's look at the numbers - the "sleek, lightweight" VW Mark 4 4-dr Golf weighs in at 2989 lbs, equipped with an automatic - and packs an earth-shaking 90 hp - for 33.21 lbs/hp. The "clunky old overweight" 300SD bellies up at 3625 lbs and puts out 120 hp - for 30.21 lb/hp. Looks like the little car is the sow here. Hey - I've had one of each. The VW was somewhat underwhelming - and held up poorly. I wouldn't touch another one except to push it over a cliff. THAT would be worth the effort.
Sorry to hear about the smoke though! Maybe you can up the boost and take care of that problem...
Well from the experiance i have had with MB there is no way those things can even hope to keep up with a VW unless maybe i crack the engine and it starts running on 2 cylnders. I would be more curiouse about the torque that the diesel's put out over HP anyway because this little underwhelming jetta keeps pace with gassers without a problem.
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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Veg 04-06 now mixing into the HHO
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html
July 1, 2007 - 11:30pm
#25
Quote:
Originally posted by: stand watie
to TDIguy,
frankly, i couldn't care less what you "believe".
since reading your UNsupported,UNknowing OPINION, i took the SD "out for a run" on a mostly deserted, flat, stretch of I-95.
according to my stopwatch, i had the SD up to 101MPH in the "measured rolling mile".
furthermore, according to:
www.zwoachzig.de/en-us/300sd.htm,
the top speed of an 1985 "US spec." 300SD is 106MPH.
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
I dont believe you at all.
There was a youtube video on here with the surposed world record for alt fuel cars and it featured a MB. They took all kinds of crap out of it just to get up to 95 and polished the hell out of the car for better aerodynamics.
Bash me all you want but i have seen the video of the speedo struggleing to get up to speed. Unsupported would not be what i call the opinion but i guess you dont want to look for the video I am surprized you didnt watch it since it was on this forum. Whatever tho they proved to me that MB are just as slow as the ones i test drove.
There is also a big differance between top speed right out of factory and top speed after 20+ years. Especially if the valves never got adjusted.
I dont know the top speed of a jetta but i know its not hard for me to get up to 110. 120 is a bit of a challenge tho and the car starts to shake a little but then again the tires i have i think are rated for 100 so not a great idea anyway.
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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Veg 04-06 now mixing into the HHO
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html
July 1, 2007 - 11:42pm
#26
Here is the european version of a jetta tdi. Lets see a MB even try to do this.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=X0I_aeiPswA
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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
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Veg 04-06 now mixing into the HHO
Another good veg site
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July 2, 2007 - 12:13am
#27
Don't get too offended, TDIguy. The VW engine isn't so bad. It's the rest of the car that I had problems with. The engine was a cute little thing that would be wonderful in a ton of other fun toys. The VW puts out a stock ~150 lb ft, the 5 cylinder turbo Benz is ~ 170 lb ft. You can turn up the Benz's lift pump a bit and get a bit more power. You can modify both cars to get a lot more. That's always the case.
For what it is worth, I'm confident my 3/4 ton Cummins powered Dodge can pull a VW TDI (any of the 4 banger models) at 95 mph and still pull decent mileage. Even if you tie the chain around the middle of the VW and drag it sideways - not necessarily on the wheels! The Benz would slow it down a bit more... In a wreck against either a VW or a Benz, I'd prefer to be in my very heavy, air-bag equipped truck. The VW driver could be pulled out of the wreck with crackers, while the Benz driver would be hurting pretty bad... I'd probably have to pull over and wait to avoid the "leaving the scene" charges.
July 2, 2007 - 11:03am
#28
tdiguy;all,
frankly, i couldn't care less what your UNknowing/Unsupported OPINION (and that is precisely what you spewed out onto the forum) is/is not.
the FACTS i stated are FACTS. stopwatches do NOT (unlike people) lie.
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
July 2, 2007 - 7:07pm
#29
Quote:
Originally posted by: stand watie
tdiguy;all,
frankly, i couldn't care less what your UNknowing/Unsupported OPINION (and that is precisely what you spewed out onto the forum) is/is not.
the FACTS i stated are FACTS. stopwatches do NOT (unlike people) lie.
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
Look I saw the video of the record posted here done by a news reporter. Your wrong.
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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Veg 04-06 now mixing into the HHO
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html
July 2, 2007 - 7:21pm
#30
here i found it now what do you have to say? first run without moding the MB he couldnt even hit 90! What was that you said? I dont even know of a working TDI that can't break 100. Last time my car wouldnt go over 100 it was because i had a cracked engine block.
http://www.greasecar.com/forum_topicview.cfm?frmtopicID=12350
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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Veg 04-06 now mixing into the HHO
Another good veg site
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July 2, 2007 - 7:44pm
#31
Wow - do they crack that often? That seems like a bit of a problem...
Don't get too excited about a single 20+ year old car having troubles pushing the top end speed numbers. I've had a 302 powered Mustang that couldn't break 95 - but it had 168k miles on it and it was just tired. The Benz may not have had a valve adjustment in the last 10 years, maybe the air filter is older than you are and not as transparent. Turn up the pump on the Benz and you'll find they can move pretty quickly.
Whatever the case - the Benz is more about durability and strength, while the VW is a much cheaper consumer product. I haven't seen many 20+ year old VW's that weren't already scrapped. How much longer do you think your VW will be drivable?
July 2, 2007 - 9:48pm
#32
Quote:
Originally posted by: 81SD
Wow - do they crack that often? That seems like a bit of a problem...
Don't get too excited about a single 20+ year old car having troubles pushing the top end speed numbers. I've had a 302 powered Mustang that couldn't break 95 - but it had 168k miles on it and it was just tired. The Benz may not have had a valve adjustment in the last 10 years, maybe the air filter is older than you are and not as transparent. Turn up the pump on the Benz and you'll find they can move pretty quickly.
Whatever the case - the Benz is more about durability and strength, while the VW is a much cheaper consumer product. I haven't seen many 20+ year old VW's that weren't already scrapped. How much longer do you think your VW will be drivable?
Generally here in the rust belt i dont expect any car to last much more then 10 years. However long my car is still not rusted to junk i will still be very happily passing those old mb's and getting much better fuel economy at the same time.
As far as engine blocks cracking i am betting that if i dropped a glow plug into your engine it would crack also. One reason i hate the stealerships the engine swallowed a glow plug about 5 days after getting dealer recomended service. Someone there apparently did not know how tight is too tight and stripped out the threads. Any verhicle can be very reliable if well maintained. If maintained right there could be a delorian still chugging around.
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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Veg 04-06 now mixing into the HHO
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html
July 3, 2007 - 1:05am
#33
tdiguy,
and you BELIEVE things because some "reporter" said so???
"reporters" are no more/less likely to be TRUTHFUL than ANYONE else. in fact, given the LEFTIST bias of the mainSLIME media, they are MORE likely to lie than tell the truth.
btw, the word is "you're" rather than "your" in your sentence.
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
July 3, 2007 - 3:21am
#34
Quote:
Originally posted by: stand watie
tdiguy,
July 3, 2007 - 3:25am
#35
Quote:
Originally posted by: stand watie
tdiguy,
and you BELIEVE things because some "reporter" said so???
"reporters" are no more/less likely to be TRUTHFUL than ANYONE else. in fact, given the LEFTIST bias of the mainSLIME media, they are MORE likely to lie than tell the truth.
btw, the word is "you're" rather than "your" in your sentence.
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
You sure about that? I thought you're was surposed to abbreviate you are. Those words would not be what i was going for. i thought your was the correct term like your watch is off. Not you're ordered to go to the barber.
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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Veg 04-06 now mixing into the HHO
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html
July 3, 2007 - 3:30am
#36
Quote:
Originally posted by: TDIguy
Quote:
Originally posted by: stand watie
tdiguy,
and you BELIEVE things because some "reporter" said so???
"reporters" are no more/less likely to be TRUTHFUL than ANYONE else. in fact, given the LEFTIST bias of the mainSLIME media, they are MORE likely to lie than tell the truth.
btw, the word is "you're" rather than "your" in your sentence.
free dixie,sw
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You sure about that? I thought you're was surposed to abbreviate you are. Those words would not be what i was going for. i thought your was the correct term like your watch is off. Not you're ordered to go to the barber.
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Lol i can't believe i was right on that one. Just looked it up and it was as i thought you're is short for you are.
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July 3, 2007 - 11:41am
#37
Quote:
Originally posted by: TDIguy
Quote:
Originally posted by: stand watie
to all,
my ("new to me"!) '85 MB 300sd is "slower than molasses off the line" BUT is FAST out on the interstate (i had it up to 95MPH last night late, with plenty of pedal left.)
since it weighs > 4800 pounds with fuel & passengers, it's NOT a dragster. otoh, i'd bet "the little electric box" couldn't keep up with me on I95 from VA to FL!!!
free dixie,sw
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Sorry but i would really doubt a MB would beat any verhicle especially on the highway. The thing is just too heavy. even with 30 gallons of fuel onboard you will probably have to fill up before the hybrid.
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my 300 SDL moves quite well if I have the AC shut off. Even from a dead stop. It may leave a smoke cloud behind it when I do that, but that is half the fun.
ON the highway... at the 55 - 70 range it will pass most vehicles with ease.
R
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1987 MB 300SDL "Mazola Benz" Slinky are like liberals.... pretty much useless but still fun to push down a flight of stairs.
July 3, 2007 - 12:41pm
#38
Back in the day (early 80's)when I was a news shooter I saw a VW Rabbit vs. MB accident -VW owner may have fallen asleep and crossed the white line.
The MB passengers had cuts/bruies with one broken leg.
Firemen were still trying to get the body out of the VW when I left.
I have driven both VWs and MB. However on WVO (with AC on) the only way my MB will get past 80 MPH is going downhill over a cliff with the wind behind me.
July 3, 2007 - 12:54pm
#39
Quote:
Originally posted by: petec
Back in the day (early 80's)when I was a news shooter I saw a VW Rabbit vs. MB accident -VW owner may have fallen asleep and crossed the white line.
The MB passengers had cuts/bruies with one broken leg.
Firemen were still trying to get the body out of the VW when I left.
I have driven both VWs and MB. However on WVO (with AC on) the only way my MB will get past 80 MPH is going downhill over a cliff with the wind behind me.
The VW's made back then are a LOT different then the ones made now.
Btw you both prove my point on a few things. 1 that you people have no idea whata MKIV TDI is like in any way and 2 that the MB's really are slow as hell. 70 on the highway around where i am is normal if you are either on the clock getting paid hourly to drive or if your just one of those people that everyone passes. 80 is much more common in the traveling lane and very often 90 is the travel speed in the passing lane.
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July 3, 2007 - 1:07pm
#40
Quote:
Originally posted by: petec
Back in the day (early 80's)when I was a news shooter I saw a VW Rabbit vs. MB accident -VW owner may have fallen asleep and crossed the white line.
The MB passengers had cuts/bruies with one broken leg.
Firemen were still trying to get the body out of the VW when I left.
I have driven both VWs and MB. However on WVO (with AC on) the only way my MB will get past 80 MPH is going downhill over a cliff with the wind behind me.
My mb will do over 80 with AC on and on VO... may take a few miles to get up to that speed, but it will.
Before I adjusted the ALDA I would agree with you... after much faster.
if anyone with a MB is interested.
http://ken.kdharris.net/kdhbenz/alda-adjust/
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1987 MB 300SDL "Mazola Benz" Slinky are like liberals.... pretty much useless but still fun to push down a flight of stairs.
July 3, 2007 - 1:05pm
#41
Pete - do you have a turbo on that Benz? Without the turbo they are seriously underpowered. And the 240D is more in line with the old NA 1.5 diesel VW.
TDIguy - I drove a 2000 VW Golf GLS TDI Mark IV long enough to know what it could do. I put ~ 20+k miles on it in 8 months. In the previous year I had put 20+k miles on an 81 SD. The Benz had 19 years on the VW - and every part of it held up better. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Benz could actually spin the tires and get going if you wanted it to. The VW didn't have that option.
It did get better mileage - but who cares when you are running WVO?
July 3, 2007 - 5:43pm
#42
to 81SD,
i wonder IF he's ever ridden IN an SD, much less owned/driven one.
fyi, i took "Geisla" (my secretary's name from BRD) out "for a spin" last night about 130AM & re-checked her speed on dino for 3 miles on I-95 south of Fredericksburg.
just a HAIR over 102MPH, per the stopwatch on flat ground, at full throttle.
btw, my 16YO "nephew of the heart" LOVES my SD (as he has a lead foot too) & is now pestering Richard to buy him one.
also, as Wills said: this thing is FAST on the interstate.
i agreed & said: she's slower than molasses around town, though!!!
then Wills said: well, there is that!
(i should tell you that Richard will NOT be hard to convince, as he has 2 M-B diesels: an 82 240 w/4speed & a 81SD. BOTH have over 400K on the clock.)
free dixie,sw
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July 3, 2007 - 6:28pm
#43
Quote:
Originally posted by: 81SD
Pete - do you have a turbo on that Benz? Without the turbo they are seriously underpowered. And the 240D is more in line with the old NA 1.5 diesel VW.
TDIguy - I drove a 2000 VW Golf GLS TDI Mark IV long enough to know what it could do. I put ~ 20+k miles on it in 8 months. In the previous year I had put 20+k miles on an 81 SD. The Benz had 19 years on the VW - and every part of it held up better. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Benz could actually spin the tires and get going if you wanted it to. The VW didn't have that option.
It did get better mileage - but who cares when you are running WVO?
Ya the benz spun the tires but only because it is rear wheel drive. the vw didnt spin the tires it just plain went faster. I guarentee any VW that doesnt have a blown turbo will blow awey your 1980's anything MB. Spinning tires does not = fast or even hp or anything with performance. I could make a yugo spin tires if i put on a cheap pair and dumped the clutch. As far as holding up better i am just going to assume you went to a stealership for maintenance.
You are seriously on crack if you think for one moment a old MB can even hold a candle to a VW when it comes to speed. Your just trying to get me going because your just so full of it to say such a thing.
Even if SOMEHOW the mb had better pickup it would loose to a VW every time because VW's can go over 110. I havent had much of a chance to go above that myself for several reasons but it doesnt take long to hit 110. even if your MB was working at full potential in factory new condition its top end is 106 you loose. The MB is also rear wheel driven therefore much worse cornering at speed.
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July 3, 2007 - 6:39pm
#44
Quote:
Originally posted by: stand watie
to 81SD,
i wonder IF he's ever ridden IN an SD, much less owned/driven one.
fyi, i took "Geisla" (my secretary's name from BRD) out "for a spin" last night about 130AM & re-checked her speed on dino for 3 miles on I-95 south of Fredericksburg.
just a HAIR over 102MPH, per the stopwatch on flat ground, at full throttle.
btw, my 16YO "nephew of the heart" LOVES my SD (as he has a lead foot too) & is now pestering Richard to buy him one.
also, as Wills said: this thing is FAST on the interstate.
i agreed & said: she's slower than molasses around town, though!!!
then Wills said: well, there is that!
(i should tell you that Richard will NOT be hard to convince, as he has 2 M-B diesels: an 82 240 w/4speed & a 81SD. BOTH have over 400K on the clock.)
free dixie,sw
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Your numbers simply amuse me when you put the word fast near them. 3 miles to get to 102? your jokeing when you call that fast right? Lol if i posted numbers like that on tdiclub they would tell me to check to see if my turbo is broken.
When you say per stopwatch you mean you basically had to guesstimate how fast you were going via milage / time? your speedo doesnt go that high?
Last time i did a 0-60 check i hit about 9 seconds that was with a gapeing hole in my boost hose. Does a mb even come close to that? i should run the check again now that i have fixed the hose.
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July 3, 2007 - 6:50pm
#45
TDIguy - didn't you hop up your little VW to get it going? It's not really a fair comparison now, is it? I had the more typical comparison vehicle - the auto-equipped VW TDI - and I'm saying it was pretty sad for acceleration. It may well have had a top speed that was higher than the Benz's (tough call if you turn up the ALDA) - supposedly they will do ~ 120 mph. It's a long, slow climb up there from ~ 105 mph though.
The wheels spun because of the amount of power transferred to them was sufficient to break traction. The VW just didn't muster the power up. Maybe it would if you stood on the brake and the gas to build RPM's, then let loose - but I didn't have to do that on the Benz. I don't think the VW tranny would take that more than once or twice - they are very fragile. As to handling, the VW does OK for a front wheel drive econobox, but they do handle like crap. Almost every RWD vehicle I've ever owned would not have a problem blowing by it in a corner (and easily in a straightaway). All is takes is a little skill from the driver. Perhaps you haven't driven many cars in your limited years of driving?
July 3, 2007 - 9:59pm
#46
Quote:
Originally posted by: 81SD
TDIguy - didn't you hop up your little VW to get it going? It's not really a fair comparison now, is it? I had the more typical comparison vehicle - the auto-equipped VW TDI - and I'm saying it was pretty sad for acceleration. It may well have had a top speed that was higher than the Benz's (tough call if you turn up the ALDA) - supposedly they will do ~ 120 mph. It's a long, slow climb up there from ~ 105 mph though.
The wheels spun because of the amount of power transferred to them was sufficient to break traction. The VW just didn't muster the power up. Maybe it would if you stood on the brake and the gas to build RPM's, then let loose - but I didn't have to do that on the Benz. I don't think the VW tranny would take that more than once or twice - they are very fragile. As to handling, the VW does OK for a front wheel drive econobox, but they do handle like crap. Almost every RWD vehicle I've ever owned would not have a problem blowing by it in a corner (and easily in a straightaway). All is takes is a little skill from the driver. Perhaps you haven't driven many cars in your limited years of driving?
Lol sorry old man if i dont have 50+ years behind the wheel like you. I have had my share of RWD verhicles. Perhaps there is a reason tho that just about every verhicle on the market now is FWD or all wheel drive tho including your MB. Perhaps there is a HUGE advantage to FWD over RWD.
And yes i believe you can break traction on a RWD car any RWD car. Its simple there is less weight in the rear end therefore makeing it easyer to break traction. FWD cars in general have a harder time breakign traction because they end up grabbing the road better then the RWD counterpart. See your right in many ways other then compairing ability to break traction being related to power. Breaking traction can happen on a freaking geo metro. Personally i like it if my cars have a hard time breaking traction but yet pin me to the seat that means there is a effecient transfer of force to the pavement and less wasted energy spinning. Imagine trying to spin the tires on a verhicle that is AWD you need a tremendouse amount of HP to do that and get them all to spin (i have seen some beefed up subaru's do it) but saying because a MB can spin tires easy makes them more powerfull then a VW is just plain wrong. I woudl agree that i dont like the VW auto tranny... You will also find its fairly rare to find a VW especially TDI that has a auto tranny. I really dont think you have ever driven a modern tdi when you say they handel like crap. It just doesn't make sence they perform very well when it comes to cornering. And as far as passing people thats all the driver if your on a straightawey FWD RWD it doesn't matter at all.
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July 4, 2007 - 9:18am
#47
Sorry - it isn't 50+ years behind the wheel, but it may be longer than you've been alive! I've had 38 cars now - how many are you up to?
Production costs are the big reason for so many front wheel drive cars. They are cheaper to build - that is the huge advantage. Why are so many high end sports cars all rear wheel drive? Maybe it has something to do with power and performance. Anemic, cheap cars have FWD. Performance oriented vehicles have power and RWD usually. Soccer moms like their AWD.
Breaking traction on a RWD vehicle can allow you to steer with the back tires. Given the power to break loose in a corner, the rear end slides out and can be used to push the car through the corner. Try breaking traction on a FWD car in a corner sometime. You'll be calling a tow truck from the ditch. You have one set of tires providing your steering and motion traction. When it gives out, you have nothing. I've had cars that could handle being put into a four wheel drift and remain under control - try that with your FWD vehicle!
Put enough power to the front wheels and you loose steering and motion. They don't grab the road" any better - when you hit the throttle, there is still a weight transfer to the rear. They may do OK if you are going down a steep hill, but flats or uphill and you have much less traction available. Ever drive up a wet mountain pass with FWD? I've had the front tires loose grip at 45 mph - they were spinning! They weren't steering or helping me move forward much. I've had turbocharged FWD cars as well - again, front traction was a problem. Punch it going around a corner and the front end plowed straight. It was a little alarming when you were facing a retaining wall. I had a heck of a lot more power than your TDI has.
Not being able to break the tires loose is purely a matter of insufficient power. You may not like that, but it is reality! I had a corvette that could "pin you in your seat" - with over 400 hp available, it did it for real. From idle to redline - you didn't have to stick it at redline and dump the clutch. I don't think your TDI could come close. I had some big, sticky tires on that car and it could break the back end free @ 70 mph. THAT is power. Push it into a corner and it stuck nicely, until you hit the throttle. Any corner you could take, I'm sure that corvette could take it 25 mph faster - or more. A little TDI has more in common with my lawn mower... Except maybe in build quality - corvettes are crap there too and my mower is much higher quality than the corvette or a VW!
My VW wasn't much different from yours in handling ability. It did better than an old Honda, but I had an F150 that would have easily blown it away around a track - and most of the cars I've had in the past wouldn't have had any problem at all in lapping it.
You are correct about the bit about straightaway driving and the FWD/RWD not mattering - but only in an under powered econobox. AWD is nice for poor traction conditions, but on dry pavement - RWD rules. How many Indy or NASCAR race cars have FWD? Which Porsche models are FWD? Ferrari? Sorry - FWD is cheap stuff for kids to play with.
July 4, 2007 - 11:56am
#48
tdiguy,
do you perchance have a "reading comprehension problem"???
it is TRADITIONAL to re-check top speed on vehicles by getting to full throttle & THEN running THREE individual measured miles to check the data by stopwatch. (as most speedometers are off by AT LEAST 10%, it's the only way, except radar/vascar, to be CORRECT.)
frankly, i think you just want to argue with someone about something/anything. but you've LOST this one, as most everyone (who's emailed me about you) thinks you are clueLESS and/or silly.
trust me on this, ANY VW is INFERIOR to a M-B, though they are nice "play-toys". (i used to own one, when i lived in BRD. my German friends used to ask me, "When are you going to buy a REAL car?")
IF you want a SERIOUSLY FAST diesel, go find a BMW 524TD & "turn it up". those things are FAST, but not nearly as comfortable as a Benz.
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
July 4, 2007 - 6:40pm
#49
Quote:
Originally posted by: stand watie
tdiguy,
do you perchance have a "reading comprehension problem"???
it is TRADITIONAL to re-check top speed on vehicles by getting to full throttle & THEN running THREE individual measured miles to check the data by stopwatch. (as most speedometers are off by AT LEAST 10%, it's the only way, except radar/vascar, to be CORRECT.)
frankly, i think you just want to argue with someone about something/anything. but you've LOST this one, as most everyone (who's emailed me about you) thinks you are clueLESS and/or silly.
trust me on this, ANY VW is INFERIOR to a M-B, though they are nice "play-toys". (i used to own one, when i lived in BRD. my German friends used to ask me, "When are you going to buy a REAL car?")
IF you want a SERIOUSLY FAST diesel, go find a BMW 524TD & "turn it up". those things are FAST, but not nearly as comfortable as a Benz.
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
Accually i know exactly how much my speedo is off. It is exactly +5mph at speeds over 40mph. I have verifyed that a few ways 2 different gps systems a schanguage and a stopwatch.
the VW can easily reach 110. I have seen it many times myself and i know of vw's that hav been tuned up to enter races. I doubt the same can be said for a 1980's mb in a modern race. I also V ERY much doubt you sitting in your car hitting the stowatch is accurate. Or any person for that matter. Its called the human element add that to any scientific test and you add a degree of inacuracy.
Now do something usefull with your time and drive the benz to the impound so a decent car can be built from the metal in it. trying to say a 1980's benz is better then a vw in any performance area is just totally crap you seem to be full of it.
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July 5, 2007 - 6:13am
#50
Al Gores son got busted doing over 100 in a toyota prius...
my 93 300d is slow but my 05 Passat TDI is a bat outa hell...
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Maybe you would be able to keep up if you had a turbo v6 but MB is a VERY heavy car. Even with the huge battery the hybrid is a lot lighter. If i remember correctly hybrids use full electric power untill a certain speed. So they accually shoudl have GREAT off the line speed electric engines have next to no lagg time at all to go from nothing to full throttle. Besides you should know better then trying to race anything other then a mini bike in that thing you drive.
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