One Hundred Sixty Degrees
November 15, 2007 - 4:37pm
#52
Quote:
Originally posted by: N73RZ
Today I had my greasecar kit with copilot computer installed in my 02 Jetta. On the way home, the oil temperature (virgin cooking oil) on the screen was reading around 120F. I was reading at other sites and Frybrid makes a pretty big deal about how if the oil is less than 160F, it is too thick to pass correctly through the injectors and therefor bad for the engine. Specifically, they made the point that (of course) no other company's kit gets the oil hot enough. Is this just marketing mumbo-jumbo, or is there real science behind that number they throw around?
Is my 120F oil temp good enough?
Bob
Hey Bob,
What outside temperature are you running the car in? The reality is the stock grease car system simpy does not get the oil hot enough when it is cold outside. It will work flawlessly when it is warm outside, but IMHO it is dangerous for you to drive on veg when the temp is only 120 and does not get any hotter. Its just not enought and it is the reality of your system when it is cold outside. At a minimum you need a vegtherm or FPHE for the winter. I would not drive on veg during the winter without one, and quite frankly I am not driving with veg this winter on my golf in NJ (even with a vegtherm)because I belive it is not worth the risk to my car.
November 15, 2007 - 5:22pm
#53
Just so everyone is clear, this discussion is concerning NON-PD TDIs.
PD TDIs do not have a problem with heat.
For reference, my PD and stock GC system gets oil to a nice 170+, even in the coldest weather, just might take a little bit if it is really cold. Those high pressure unit injectors heat the fuel so much that the stock return line has a radiator on it.
I simply use a point&shoot laser thermometer at my tank, heated filter, and supply line. Temp of WVO is probably a bit higher since I am reading only the outside of whatever I point it at, except the WVO in the tank.
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2005 VW Golf PD-TDI
November 15, 2007 - 5:32pm
#54
November 15, 2007 - 5:49pm
#55
Hey TDI why guy? Are you greasing again? Aren't you the guy who thought a 12V Cummins was a 12 volt Cummings?
How many posts are you at now? Relationship breaking up to eh? Probably all her fault, or "his"? Dude, you need to get some help...seriously.
Go ahead and come back with several posts attacking me, just get some help OK!
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95 Cummins 4x4 pushing 400k miles and running like new.
November 15, 2007 - 7:32pm
#56
Quote:
Originally posted by: Tom Yaz
Lol!
I think you are the one who cant read!
"If you think somehow heat is not transfered from the engine to the IP your ignoring..."
In my last post I said:
" The IP continues to rise in temp as it absorbs hot oil and engine heat"
What part of that dont you understand? Duh!
I never said the Vagina-com is innacurate! Double Duh!
The only difference in our opinions is I beleive the IP absorbs not only ENGINE heat but HOT OIL heat up until that point the IP is at the temp of the engine. THEN the IP starts shedding heat TO the oil instead of absorbing FROM the oil.
Now what part of that dont you undderstand?
Since you are blessed with a vag com I have asked you several times to tell us what the temp of the vag com is right before turning on to hot oil. Why do you refuse? Is it becasue it will be considerably less than the temp of the oil coming in? I bet it is. Which only means the reason why the IP does raise after turning on to hot oil is becasue the hot oil is heating the ip (as is the engine heat)
Its a shame what colleges are putting out these days...
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Your funny.
You dont know a thing about heat transfer but are going to make a stab at me. Read a book on heat transfer then come back after you know something. Read my sig line also maybe you will learn something there also.
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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Veg 04-06 now mixing into the HHO
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html
November 15, 2007 - 8:17pm
#57
Quote:
Originally posted by: TDIguy
Quote:
Originally posted by: Tom Yaz
Lol!
I think you are the one who cant read!
"If you think somehow heat is not transfered from the engine to the IP your ignoring..."
In my last post I said:
" The IP continues to rise in temp as it absorbs hot oil and engine heat"
What part of that dont you understand? Duh!
I never said the Vagina-com is innacurate! Double Duh!
The only difference in our opinions is I beleive the IP absorbs not only ENGINE heat but HOT OIL heat up until that point the IP is at the temp of the engine. THEN the IP starts shedding heat TO the oil instead of absorbing FROM the oil.
Now what part of that dont you undderstand?
Since you are blessed with a vag com I have asked you several times to tell us what the temp of the vag com is right before turning on to hot oil. Why do you refuse? Is it becasue it will be considerably less than the temp of the oil coming in? I bet it is. Which only means the reason why the IP does raise after turning on to hot oil is becasue the hot oil is heating the ip (as is the engine heat)
Its a shame what colleges are putting out these days...
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Your funny.
You dont know a thing about heat transfer but are going to make a stab at me. Read a book on heat transfer then come back after you know something. Read my sig line also maybe you will learn something there also.
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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Veg 04-06 now mixing into the HHO
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html
Still wont answer my questions huh?
Nuff said!
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November 16, 2007 - 12:13am
#58
and you still havent read my sig.
Nuf Said!
you are plain ignorant now. Had you have ever read my sig you would know why i havent given you the latest information on that. You have now officially earned the label IGNORANT.
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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Veg 04-06 now mixing into the HHO
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html
November 16, 2007 - 7:45am
#59
Quote:
Originally posted by: TDIguy
and you still havent read my sig.
Nuf Said!
you are plain ignorant now. Had you have ever read my sig you would know why i havent given you the latest information on that. You have now officially earned the label IGNORANT.
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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Veg 04-06 now mixing into the HHO
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html
Oh Ive read it many times.
I guess I am not up to your hip acronyms
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November 16, 2007 - 4:40pm
#60
Why do forums end up being pissy? There seems a definite pattern with these groups and some graduate student probably has research data accordingly.
What drives a seemingly decent guy to post over a thousand times a year for 3.5 years?
November 16, 2007 - 6:49pm
#61
Good question well number of posts really doesn't mean anything that counts every single post no matter how informative or ridiculous it is or even if i just post a single word response. Which i probably should start doing because it seems when i explain what happens people get confused and start calling me names and referring to tools i use as tho they are part of womens anatomy.
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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Veg 04-06 now mixing into the HHO
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html
November 16, 2007 - 7:51pm
#62
Heh heh... he said vagina.. heh heh
Shut up Beavis
vagina... heh heh....
But hey, I do get credit for anotehr post heh heh
Lee
BTW, I know ther is a temp rise from the IP, you know there is a temp rise from the IP. nuff said
And Tom, Im sorry I havent gotten back to you with the Vagina com numbers regarding temps before switching from diesel to veg. Its just not something i have looked at yet. I will try to do that within a few days if I remember to bring my laptop with me wherever i habppen to be heading.
Lee
Vagina... heh heh heh
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NoName - 2002 Jetta TDI - Greasecar setup - RC2 - Rocki Mod
November 16, 2007 - 8:20pm
#63
Quote:
Originally posted by: bodycounter
Heh heh... he said vagina.. heh heh
Shut up Beavis
vagina... heh heh....
But hey, I do get credit for anotehr post heh heh
Lee
BTW, I know ther is a temp rise from the IP, you know there is a temp rise from the IP. nuff said
And Tom, Im sorry I havent gotten back to you with the Vagina com numbers regarding temps before switching from diesel to veg. Its just not something i have looked at yet. I will try to do that within a few days if I remember to bring my laptop with me wherever i habppen to be heading.
Lee
Vagina... heh heh heh
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Novelty+Economy+Environment= NEE.....
I am a Knight that says NEE
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NoName - 2002 Jetta TDI - Greasecar setup - RC2 - Rocki Mod
LOL!
Body counter I think we would get along just fine in person!
Yep its that small window that has me wondering what the oil is up to..thanks if you can shed some light on it. I can lend
you a speculum if it would help...
TDIGuy:
"people get confused and start calling me names"
Hope you werent referring to me; I wasnt confused and I didnt call you names. But I have called DC names...
As for the Vagina thing, I think you are waring your ball cap a little too tight. Loosen it up a bit...
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November 18, 2007 - 8:19pm
#64
Quote:
Originally posted by: vwcampin
Quote:
Originally posted by: N73RZ
I have about an hour drive to work, and it kicks in about 10-15 minutes after starting, at 80F then goes up to 120. What I don't understand is, why would the stock kit not get the oil hot enough? Isn't that the point of buying a complete kit? Ill have to ask the installer about where the sensor is. I don't know much about the plate HE's though.
A flat plate heat exchanger FPHE is a pretty easy addition to your system and I think would completely cure your temp problem. Basically the coolant flows through one side going one way, and the WVO flows through the other side in the opposite direction. Just a couple extra connections to hook up. No wiring. Here is more than you need to know:
http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/159605551/m/6421006031
Thanks. I've been reading about the FPHE before. Can anyone suggest a good place to buy one that fits the Jetta?
November 18, 2007 - 8:19pm
#65
Quote:
Originally posted by: vwcampin
Quote:
Originally posted by: N73RZ
I have about an hour drive to work, and it kicks in about 10-15 minutes after starting, at 80F then goes up to 120. What I don't understand is, why would the stock kit not get the oil hot enough? Isn't that the point of buying a complete kit? Ill have to ask the installer about where the sensor is. I don't know much about the plate HE's though.
A flat plate heat exchanger FPHE is a pretty easy addition to your system and I think would completely cure your temp problem. Basically the coolant flows through one side going one way, and the WVO flows through the other side in the opposite direction. Just a couple extra connections to hook up. No wiring. Here is more than you need to know:
http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/159605551/m/6421006031
Thanks. I've been reading about the FPHE before. Can anyone suggest a good place to buy one that fits the Jetta?
I'm in MD, and the temps have been about 45-55F during the day lately. Although in the morning sometimes its in the low 30s.
November 18, 2007 - 8:32pm
#66
As for the Vagina thing, I think you are waring your ball cap a little too tight. Loosen it up a bit...
Ya thats what every jerk says when someone lets them know how aggrivating they are getting. They allways back off and say something to the tune of " hey i was only playing around or i was just jokeing " If you think for a second that i will just say something like "O hey i am sorry for letting you know your being a jerk and getting upset" I am not going to your annoying and not listening to any sort of logic. There are multiple people with the tool in question that will tell you your theory is garbage but yet you make fun of the tool and want to just be a jerk. Whatever you keep calling yourself an expert installer and if anyone asks i will tell them you know nothing and dont understand basics of heat transfer.
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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Veg 04-06 now mixing into the HHO
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html
November 18, 2007 - 8:50pm
#67
Love these little straw men you have built..I never claimed the ip doesnt add heat, never claimed to be an "expert installer"..
Your just annoyed becasue I havent agreed with you 100%
Wahh!.. dont you have some studying to do?
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November 18, 2007 - 9:01pm
#68
Quote:
Originally posted by: Tom Yaz
Love these little straw men you have built..I never claimed the ip doesnt add heat, never claimed to be an "expert installer"..
Your just annoyed becasue I havent agreed with you 100%
Wahh!.. dont you have some studying to do?
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No not really I have a 3.8 gpa right now and completed my homework for the next 2 weeks.
Keep thinking what you want about your test. I guess your the expert and nobody else has ever done these tests with better equipment then what you have avail ( IE a vag-com ) and i wonder what stupid comment your going to make next like vagina - com or whatever. Just keep thinking that out of the many people that have posted results that are similar to each other that your the one that even tho your results make no sence at all your correct.
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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Veg 04-06 now mixing into the HHO
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html
November 18, 2007 - 9:46pm
#69
You dont have to be a 3.8 GPA in basket weaving to know that when the temp of the fuel coming in is higher than the temp coming out, you are losing heat. Your execuse of blaming the gauges is ridiculous as you base your assertions in part on the use of the same type of gauges. Furthermore I have good gauges, good insulation, and low thermal mass of the guage housing. I can only report what I see.
Time to call you out on your BS...So please, show me in any thread where I claimed to be an expert installer? Where is it
school boy?
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November 19, 2007 - 12:28am
#70
whatever your a dilusional fool.
And if you want to address me correctly by my acomplishments it would be much longer then school boy perhaps starting with Electronics Graduate. This is not my first time in college and maybe not my last. I accually like understanding things rather then wearing blinders unlike you who cant seem to understand that the numbers your surposidly getting make no sence at all and wont believe the other people on this issue. I am simply not going to bother any more do whatever you like and when people start comeing back to you in the summer because there shits broke maybe you will remember this.
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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Veg 04-06 now mixing into the HHO
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html
November 19, 2007 - 3:42am
#71
Au Contrair,
My numbers make perfect sense..and my guages dont lie. The customer is getting nice and hot veggie going into his IP. That 176F is not even with the vegtherm on..in 40F weather..
Oh and I do believe the other people..the IP will get nice and hot; somewhere between the 5th and 10th mile...
Cant seem to find where I said I was a "expert installer" eh?..
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November 19, 2007 - 10:04pm
#72
ya ok maybe you never said expert installer. But i doubt people hire anyone that advertizes themself as a amature or average installer.
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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Veg 04-06 now mixing into the HHO
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html
November 20, 2007 - 7:48am
#73
Quote:
Originally posted by: TDIguy
whatever your a dilusional fool.
And if you want to address me correctly by my acomplishments it would be much longer then school boy perhaps starting with Electronics Graduate. This is not my first time in college and maybe not my last. I accually like understanding things rather then wearing blinders unlike you who cant seem to understand that the numbers your surposidly getting make no sence at all and wont believe the other people on this issue. I am simply not going to bother any more do whatever you like and when people start comeing back to you in the summer because there shits broke maybe you will remember this.
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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Veg 04-06 now mixing into the HHO
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html
Hopefully you will stay in college long enough to learn grammar and spelling! Usually those are high school subjects - maybe you should consider returning there first. The written word says a lot about a person and your writing screams "uneducated"! Sure - this isn't you writing "professionally" - but you write like 'Crazy Franco. I'm sure you don't mean to give this impression - but you need to try harder NOT to be so sloppy. If you want to state that you are well educated and be taken seriously, do so by example.
November 20, 2007 - 10:03am
#74
Quote:
Originally posted by: TDIguy
ya ok maybe you never said expert installer. But i doubt people hire anyone that advertizes themself as a amature or average installer.
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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Veg 04-06 now mixing into the HHO
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html
LOL!
And I never advertised myself as an installer amatuer or otherwise either!
I did this TDI for FREE.. And It has turned out quite nicely if I dont mind saying so myself.
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November 20, 2007 - 10:03am
#75
Quote:
Originally posted by: TDIguy
ya ok maybe you never said expert installer. But i doubt people hire anyone that advertizes themself as a amature or average installer.
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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Veg 04-06 now mixing into the HHO
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html
LOL!
And I never advertised myself as an installer amatuer or otherwise either!
I did this TDI for FREE.. And It has turned out quite nicely if I dont mind saying so myself.
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November 20, 2007 - 7:51pm
#76
Quote:
Originally posted by: 81SD
Quote:
Originally posted by: TDIguy
whatever your a dilusional fool.
And if you want to address me correctly by my acomplishments it would be much longer then school boy perhaps starting with Electronics Graduate. This is not my first time in college and maybe not my last. I accually like understanding things rather then wearing blinders unlike you who cant seem to understand that the numbers your surposidly getting make no sence at all and wont believe the other people on this issue. I am simply not going to bother any more do whatever you like and when people start comeing back to you in the summer because there shits broke maybe you will remember this.
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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Veg 04-06 now mixing into the HHO
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html
Hopefully you will stay in college long enough to learn grammar and spelling! Usually those are high school subjects - maybe you should consider returning there first. The written word says a lot about a person and your writing screams "uneducated"! Sure - this isn't you writing "professionally" - but you write like 'Crazy Franco. I'm sure you don't mean to give this impression - but you need to try harder NOT to be so sloppy. If you want to state that you are well educated and be taken seriously, do so by example.
Well all that being said only truly ignorant people judge others without ever knowing them.
My working background and edjucational background do not focus on english. When i write at work it typically involves a great deal of abbreviations and shorthand. Nearly nothing is written to even resemble typical english.
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01 vw jetta TDI : RC II : VR6 Clutch
Vag-Com tool at home
Veg 04-06 now mixing into the HHO
Another good veg site
http://fryertofuel.hypermart.net/store/page6.html
November 21, 2007 - 5:59pm
#77
Quote:
Originally posted by: N73RZ
Quote:
Originally posted by: vwcampin
Quote:
Originally posted by: N73RZ
I have about an hour drive to work, and it kicks in about 10-15 minutes after starting, at 80F then goes up to 120. What I don't understand is, why would the stock kit not get the oil hot enough? Isn't that the point of buying a complete kit? Ill have to ask the installer about where the sensor is. I don't know much about the plate HE's though.
A flat plate heat exchanger FPHE is a pretty easy addition to your system and I think would completely cure your temp problem. Basically the coolant flows through one side going one way, and the WVO flows through the other side in the opposite direction. Just a couple extra connections to hook up. No wiring. Here is more than you need to know:
http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/159605551/m/6421006031
Thanks. I've been reading about the FPHE before. Can anyone suggest a good place to buy one that fits the Jetta?
I'm in MD, and the temps have been about 45-55F during the day lately. Although in the morning sometimes its in the low 30s.
You can find them on Ebay, Plantdrive also carries them (they come with the fittings you need as well) or over on the Biodiesle-Infopop forum, some members there have some for sale.
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Lol!
I think you are the one who cant read!
"If you think somehow heat is not transfered from the engine to the IP your ignoring..."
In my last post I said:
" The IP continues to rise in temp as it absorbs hot oil and engine heat"
What part of that dont you understand? Duh!
I never said the Vagina-com is innacurate! Double Duh!
The only difference in our opinions is I beleive the IP absorbs not only ENGINE heat but HOT OIL heat up until that point the IP is at the temp of the engine. THEN the IP starts shedding heat TO the oil instead of absorbing FROM the oil.
Now what part of that dont you undderstand?
Since you are blessed with a vag com I have asked you several times to tell us what the temp of the vag com is right before turning on to hot oil. Why do you refuse? Is it becasue it will be considerably less than the temp of the oil coming in? I bet it is. Which only means the reason why the IP does raise after turning on to hot oil is becasue the hot oil is heating the ip (as is the engine heat)
Its a shame what colleges are putting out these days...
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