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Originally posted by: slatemd
I too thought it to be an interesting video.

What I really freaked out about is that this video was shot last year and he told everyone that gas will be 4 to 5 dollars by this year. Also, I read an article several days ago (before I ever heard of Lindsey in the Wall Street Journal) about Iran wanting to flood the market with cheap oil, and they want to do it using Euros instead of Dollars.

This would be bad on so many different levels, however, Lindsey stated this fact LAST YEAR. I am convinced that our troops will be in Iran very soon. The oil producing Middle East must buy back a percentage of our National Debt in the form of Bonds, Tee Bills, etc. If Iran floods the market with oil, and the rest of the Middle East stops buying into our economy, we (as a nation) will be screwed.

If you get through the sales pitch (for his book) and some of his rants, there is some great (scary) information there. I choose not to fixate on the political aspect because the IMF ALWAYS has their person elected albeit Dem or Rep.

I have always known about the World Bank and the key power brokers of the world.

I have always understood why they want a 2-class system in America. We the people (the working class slobs) are flipping the bill for everything the elite wants.

Did you catch the statement that the World Bank FORGAVE their loans to the third world nations? You know that they are still getting paid, dont you? We the people are paying the tab in the form of retarded taxes and high oil prices.

OIL IS CURRENCY! ENERGY IS CURRENCY! WAR IS CURRENCY!

Just my two cents.

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TANTA STULTITIA MORTALIUM EST

Diesel
81 300TD
81 VW Rabbit Caddy
92 Dodge 250 extended Cummins Turbo

Gas
74 C-10 Plow
87 F-250 Reading Box
02 Expedition
03 F-250 Super Duty Crew (V-10 GULP)
One Ugly Yellow Moped

Great post, way to keep your eye on the ball slatemd.

Each minute they confuse any number of us as to where they set their goal, are the minutes they use to leap closer to it with great strides.
Our natural needs to belong, love, and give service are their very tools used to divide, corrupt, and conquer us to their ends.

As you said the goal is to establish the social prisons of two classes, within one world economy. The ruling class, and the providing class.

The matrix boys had a lot to say on this particular reality. Their movies show the power-using class and the power-proving class.

And they put a great color commentary on the dehumanizing, abominating, social contortions necessary to establish it.
Neo showed us what we all fear most, that we all are as capable as him. Many chose not to get that about the movies.

?Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens us most. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, and famous?' Actually, who are you not to be?? ? Merianne Wiliamson

Reagan popularized this base strategy for the war on the freedom and goodness of man with this quote
Most feared words in the English language: We're from the government and we're here to help.? - Ronald Reagan

Step 1. Liberate; make democratic government and all who stand for it the enemy. ?

Step 2. Using overt and covert tactics to replace weakened governmental attributes as they become available, through privatization techniques; render government to become a private upper class.

Step 3. Enjoy the fascist kingdom as it grows and that makes the fascists of the 20th century look like struggling small business start-ups.

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2002 beetle,

Glad to attend this one, and very nice to meet you here.
I come and go here kind of infrequently. If ever in Wash state where I exist most of the time, drop in for a chat.

where are you at?

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2002 beetle,

TDI guy;all,

well, while oil may NOT be "the future" it is the MAIN solution for the lifetime of EVERYONE now on GC.

there is NO "one answer", to get past the next few decades, without returning to "horse & buggy days", despite what the media/"special interest groups" are saying.

we MUST have a combination of:
1, more drilling/refining/transport of petroleum,
2. expanded nuclear power generation,
3. new research on solar, wind, ocean wave action, geothermal, etc
4. expanded methanol production,
5. encouraging recycling of "alternative fuels" like GREASE/waste oil for motor fuel/home heating,
6. GREATLY expanded oil shale/sand recovery (5 western states have enough oil sand/shale to produce at least three TRILLION barrels of oil, which "the powers that be" are trying to forbid.)
AND
7. conservation of what energy resources that we currently have.

ANYONE who believes that there is ANY "magic solution" to our energy crisis is an idiot OR a LIAR. (many of the LOUD-mouths from the LEFTIST/anti-profit/lunatic fringe of the "environmentalist movement" & the federal government are BOTH liars & fools.)

fyi, (and FULL-disclosure) my family are "small producers" of both oil & natural gas from our family farm, so i know about what i'm discussing.
(NOTE: current production from our "stripper wells" is about 300 barrels of oil per MONTH! = our family is a REALLY small producer.)

just my OPINION.

free dixie,sw

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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804

HEY OilPigsExclusiveCartel, If being angry and ACTIVELY so about the degradation of our human possibilities by those guarding the rights of the pathological to feed on our welfare is by your definition an emotional problem, then I am proud to be a problem for you to define.

Right on DieselCrazy.

I agree with some of your sentiments TDIguy, and would echo dieselcrazy by saying that I would question the motives of remaining a nation of impotent reactionaries to a misinformed crisis.

No disrespect, I realize that avoiding misinformation is a freedom surgically prevented in most cases and good people are simply manipulated to do and say what they know not; manipulated to believe what they don't understand. Many are even well programmed to fight to keep our lives this way.

We just don't know what to do about what is obviously cancerous to our welfare. Remember when the word welfare main usage was to describe that our lives tended to fare in wellness rather than in the destitution that we see begging at the traffic lights ever since the Reagan administration took power?

65 years of fascist doublespeak has really changed the possibilities associated with word welfare, an important word that is used to frame the meanings in our countries founding documents.

Now it is only a bad word in the public conversation. And this degrades the founding documents, even when the old sense of the word is what most of us advocate in our political struggles; what most of us still need.

"To promote the general welfare of the people" That phrase legally constitutes the ideas of our government.

Today the average American cannot converse on the social miracles performed by the order of the new deal. The dialogue of the words there in and their original frames have run the natural course of degradation, combined with 65 years of covert corruption tactics. It's gone the same way as the words social security.
The new deal was an opportunity for us as a greater society of economically victimized individuals to learn some basic capitalist skills for well being. But those skills cost the rich dearly and it's been payback time for a few decades now.

I do not think the average American realizes the extent to which his or her freedom of access to realistic information has been suppressed nor the extremes to which the violation is carried-out on a daily basis. We are good people; we erode that nature when we defend our need to remain on the diet of misinformation.

Here is where I am going with all of this.
To frame the problem "an energy crisis" thus to focus only on physical and material aspects of this issue is to throw fuel to the fire; to validate a large portion of misinformation as truthful, just, and worth building our lives on.

These are the linguistic frames engineered in think tanks of the past 40 years, places reminiscent of the smoky back rooms of the 19th century gilded age elites. Their misinformation is then disseminated by their mouth pieces as the relative problems for us to engage, and we virtually have little choice in the matter.

They are not relative to our holistic problems as framed for us; they are only relative to their goals of manipulating our resources both physical and human into feeding their machine. We have to relearn as a greater American people to re-frame our questions and as so our answers, to cast of what language is corrupted handed down to us through corporate media.

It is our natural ability to do so, only our will to do it for many key matters has been trained, harnessed away from the state of our freedom, and for a state of mindless consumption.
Or better yet make our own news. The indy news movement is successful. Not everyone is content to remain a compliant couch potato let learn to watch them rather than the engineered news.

It is, in my opinion, be more relative to our holistic problems to call it a power crisis, rather than an energy crisis.

Not only are our basic social energy needs tied up all in one barrel, but so are our social power structures in the

A democratic government is governed by the masses, when democratic government is privately governed, it is not democracy, it is a failure of our humanity.

A government always one step ahead of its people is most often is a small group of people, notably an ungoverned group of people.

Put these two sentiments together and you get the following.

When the few through their corporations run our democratic government with the control of monetary capitol rather than the people running it with the human capitol of social principal, it is not a Democracy, it is Fascism.

Beware the one that asks how YOU would take back our resources from the corporate interests as if it can't be done, while refusing to engage the conversation that attempts to explain a possibility. He would seek to make you like him rather than respecting who you are, for he knows not who he is and is incapable of the self-respect required to respect others.

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2002 beetle,

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Originally posted by: stand watie
tomato bug,

the problem with your post is that you believe that we live in a "democracy" in the USA. it is NOT a democracy & never has been. (in point of FACT, "democracy" was intentionally dismissed by the founding fathers. they knew that a "democracy" was rule by the masses, a blueprint for anarchy & (rightly, imVho) rejected that political model as UNworkable & FOOLISH.)

this is a REPRESENTIVE REPUBLIC.

and since you "chimed in", please tell everyone what YOUR "glorious plan" is to achieve energy independence.

free dixie,sw

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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
Again SW your ignorance shapes your philosophies.

A republic is a form of democratic government.
This has been so for thousand of years.

Here is the first line in the encyclopedia:
Democracy is a system of government by which political sovereignty is retained by the people and either exercised directly by citizens or through their elected representatives.

Over the last 25 years there has been plethora of ?new or neo? writings intent on creating this as a new wedge issue.
Gee who would want to do that?

re?pub?lic
?noun
1. a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them.
2. any body of persons viewed as a commonwealth.
3. a state in which the head of government is not a monarch or other hereditary head of state.
4. any of the five periods of republican government in France. Compare FIRST REPUBLIC, SECOND REPUBLIC, THIRD REPUBLIC, FOURTH REPUBLIC, FIFTH REPUBLIC.

5. a philosophical dialogue (4th century b.c.) by Plato dealing with the composition and structure of the ideal state.

So if you think you know what the original defining characteristics are, just consult Plato, or look to the French.

But I suspect that the goal of the recent infectious rash of writings on the subject is to alter the perceptions of ignorant people and turn them against each other.

Because no body of people are more obedient and suseptibal to commoditization, even unto their own destruction, than people at war. And you do love to be a war with people don?t you SW.

This is nothing more than the neo cons? conning the ignorant into fanatical belief of their ?neo? (Latin for new) philosophies, and linguistics. And stand watie swallows.

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2002 beetle,

why do you vote for war?

and if political debate is useless, then quit.

I and many others new george was taking us to war BOTH TIMES we knew.

because we were paying attention.

why are you voting for war... keep voting for war and it will come home in ways that make the towers look like small potatos.

you are not making the world safer voting for war, you are making it more volitile.

war begets war, McCain has Promised more war. more war is not the way to safety. why is social reform so much less attractive than war?

vote for peace, vote for lifting the masses out of hate and fear. not plunging them into it.

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2002 beetle,

There is much I agree with in your thinking and much that I don't.

You seem a respectable person, and by the default of there being no moderation, this is a forum of anarchy.
I don't think this is the place to hold discussions with people you would care about.

So I will not engage in philosophical/political debate with you for fear of others making a war out of it by their very natures.

I would love to have the discussion with you. I could sink everything in that post.

But I doubt you want to tangle with me anyway.

I will just comment on this line of yours
"I have a problem with being forced to pay for other peoples poor choices in life."
The world has been paying dearly with millions dead, and trillions paid to defense contractors that lobbied to repeal posi comitatus and won, all as a result of millions of poor choices in 2000, and 2004. In addition Americans will be paying for this war for generations, due to poor choices.

I too have a problem with paying for other peoples poor choices.

will you continue to make choices based on the same trains of thought as twice before and expect different results?

Or is it only important when YOU have to pay for the poor choices of others.

I don't expect an answer because these are harsh questions and in fact I would not prefer one given here.

even if you answer I won't respond because I have said all I need to say on the matter with you. let me know if you want to go to a realistic forum where relevant respect in intelligence is the rule. If not I understand.

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2002 beetle,

tomato bug,

since i'm retired from the US Army with numerous years in several conflicts, your post is to be as kind as possible is : SILLY, IGNORANT & the spewing onto this forum of BILGE.

NO soldier, who has seen DEATH on a wholesale basis, likes war. but war is NOT the worst of things, as LEFTISTS, "useful idiots",peaceniks, COWARDS & wierdos, (who are mostly "too good" & "too important" to serve in uniform) think.

the WORST of things is SEEING evil & despotism & being too COWARDLY to face it.

frankly, you "know NOT & know NOT that you know NOT" what you blather on & on about;in that you are just like "dieselCRAZY". (that is NOT a flattering comment, in case you didn't know.)

free dixie,sw

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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804

tomato bug,

well, your true colors are showing: you're evidently one of those clueLESS "peaceniks", who think that if we collectively stick our heads in the sand & beg (the FILTH that LOVES to spill blood) "PLEASE, PLEASE don't hurt us." that something like 9/11/01 won't happen again.

your way is WEAKNESS, appeasement of evil & SURRENDER. thanks be to God that you are one of the clueLESS minority, that believes that NONSENSE.

further, your candidate, BHO, will lose in a landslide just as Hubert Humphry, George McGovern,Mike Dukakis, Al Gore & "Hanoi-John Kerry" DID.
i suspect that his "fall" will also take the DimocRATS majority in BOTH houses of congress down with him, as the DIMocRAT left will ALWAYS lose until they figure out that they are "out of step" with the MAJORITY of Americans.

free dixie,sw.

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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804

tomato bug,

you are REALLY brave, while hiding behind the anomonity of a keyboard.

one wonders how brave you would be facing an AK w/40 round mag, with a Victor Charlie holding it????

also, 81SD is correct. you DO have a problem with "potty mouth", which is generally a sign that you need your mouth washed out with soap..

btw,

free dixie,sw

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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804

81sd,

you know what TRULY fascinates me about the LEFT???

it's that they seem always want to TALK BIG, but never seem to VOLUNTEER to do any of the fighting necessary to defend the nation.
the "peaceniks" SAY that they are NON-violent, but are always looking for something to riot and/or destroy someone else's property over.

MOST in my expierience are SCARED to death to wear the uniform and/or "just too important" to do anything that requires GUTS or gets you muddy/bloody/messy.

overall, i just laugh AT the "the prissy set".

free dixie,sw

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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804

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Originally posted by: stand watie
tomato bug,

and you're man enough to spill my blood???( i think NOT, even in my 6th decade of life.)

i'd bet all the $$$ i hjave in my pocket that you never served a DAY in actual combat and/or heard a shot fired in anger. (shooting water pistols at your sister and/or shooting a sparrow with a BB gun doesn't count.)

laughing AT you.

free dixie,sw

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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
great, how much do you owe me?

I intend to collect. How much in your pocket?

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2002 beetle,

tomato bug,

tell us about "your combat expierience". do you actually HAVE any???

what branch, what rank/rate, what MOS, what WAR, OCONUS duty station & what decorations/been there badges???

free dixie,sw

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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804

ear.wax,

fwiw, the VAST majority of members of GC (including 81SD & me) are reasonably INTELLIGENT & certainly more so than the LEFTIST morons like earwax/dieselCRAZY/tomatobug & you.

furthermore, why should anyone/we care what a FEW morons think and/or laugh at. (morons are EASILY entertained.)

laughing AT the FEW bigots/nitwits/LEFTIST fools here.

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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804

dcweir1;all,

fine. we'll let YOU give up YOUR modern conviences FIRST.

as for me & my house, we HAVE to commute about 60 miles per day for work, it's 34.4 miles roundtrip to the nearest supermarket from our farm & 43 miles roundtrip to an ER.

for the WEST we are relatively CLOSE to "necessary things" as compared to LOTS of families. ===> one of my "army buddies" lives/raises sheep in NM- the nearest hospital is THREE hours away by road & well over an HOUR by chopper.

what would you have us do???

shall we stop working/farming/eating/getting medical care for the FANTASY world that LEFTISTS/"environmentalist whackos"/DIMocRATS/elitists like BHO desire???

THE TRUTH is that there is enough PETROLEUM (i'm NOT counting coal gasification,oil shale/sand or LNG) in the USA alone, to last at least 4 DECADES & perhaps 5, IF we open up all the available/KNOWN areas.
IF we add in nuclear/hydoelectric/wind/solar/hard coal/lignite/etc to that amount of oil, we have enough domestic energy for at LEAST a couple of CENTURIES, without any imports whatever.

with 40+ years of oil, we have sufficient TIME to come up with better/MUCH CLEANER/LESS costly alternatives to coal/wind/solar/coal/hydroelectric/nuclear.

perhaps, COLD FUSION is ONE answer;"fast breeder reactors" is possibly another (as they do NOT generate nuclear waste & make their own fuel, as well). there is also PROMISE in WAVE generation of energy.
(trust me, the ocean will NOT stop having wave action, as long as there is an ocean!)

the sky is NOT falling, Henny Penny, despite what the WHACKOS & "tinfoil hat wearers" say.
finally, NO, i am NOT saying that we don't have to "husband our resources" from need-LESS/wasteful use.
(on the farm, you learn to conserve resources, recycle things into other uses OR go BROKE! we farm families are the FIRST "recyclers".).

free dixie,sw

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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804