Un expected event. by Republican pukes
June 10, 2008 - 1:53pm
Hip hip horray hip hip horray.
The all american Rpublican PArty voted down to raise taxs on the big oil companies.
Oh if they forbid pay any taxes they would raise fuel prices even more.
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June 10, 2008 - 5:50pm
#2
Don Young proposed a dollar a gallon tax??
June 10, 2008 - 6:33pm
#3
Please don't feed the trolls. DC believes he has the god given right to free gas, paid for by our taxes, free medical, paid for by our taxes, and that all the 'take your pick of enemies' is trying to do is keep him down.
A little fact like 'customers end up paying a corporations taxes' won't make him stop to think, Nor will the fact that if the company I worked for made as little % profit as oil companies we'd go out of business. Nor will the fact that 'nationals' not private oil companies control approximately 80% of all the worlds current oil.
he has been told all this before, asked to read, asked to look for himself. he still continues with 'The world owes me a living and I want it now.'
DC go read: www.theoildrum.com, www.PO.com, etc. etc. etc.
yes there are some crazy types on these sites and you will have to filter a lot of what is said. but you will find out that Exxon makes money on VOLUME.
Now you can start calling me names, and telling me how wrong I am.
Ce
June 10, 2008 - 6:40pm
#4
Sorry Phil, meant to address the $1 per gallon tax.
So if you believe that oil is a finite resource, and currently way under priced as it is the most valuable resource on the planet, then you understand eventually we won't have any more. Be it 5 years, 30 years or 100 years.
Assuming it is the closer to the shorter of the 3, the congressman from Alaska believes, as many others do, that if we tax it higher now we can use the money to REALLY take ourselves of oil. Subsidies for alternatives, etc.
However this is political suicide and he knows it as do others. BUT he can go back to Alaska, explain his position and why he said it, and still look like the good guy. He was just beaten down by the rest of the guys in DC who don't see what he does.
Believe me when I say EVERYBODY in Washington knows. Some don't want to believe, but they do know.
And how MUCH comes out of the ground is not an issue, it is 1. how fast, 86.5 Million barrels a day seems to be the top as we have been stuck at this amount for a while. 2. is how much of that is exported, getting it out of the ground in Saudi means nothing if they use it all. Search ELM (Export Land Model)
June 10, 2008 - 8:46pm
#5
I'm not sure we want the government pulling the money out of the economy to inefficiently finance any new technology. It would be far better for them to clear the way for new technology to be developed than for them to actively get involved. Consider how the Feds treat the WVO community. At best we are ignored.
June 10, 2008 - 9:02pm
#6
Quote:
Originally posted by: DieselCrazy
Hip hip horray hip hip horray.
The all american Rpublican PArty voted down to raise taxs on the big oil companies.
Oh if they forbid pay any taxes they would raise fuel prices even more.
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Lets see if I got this right. The left wants to tax EVEN MORE money from a profitable corporation. Exxon has paid 30 Billion in taxes for 07. You never hear about that!
Your right, we should tax them more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more
You are so out of touch D.C. I used to laugh at your posts, now, I shake my head.
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June 11, 2008 - 7:42am
#7
So tell me DC, and everbody else who supports this: How is raising taxes on the oil companies going to reduce the price of gasoline in the next 6 mos to a year? Answer: IT WONT! It will actually have the opposite effect as the oil companies will just pass this tax on to the consumer in higher gas prices.
This is nothing more than a "stick to the oil companies" to "get even" that will do NOTHING to reduce prices. What a complete bunch of envious morons the Democrats are...
To claim that the money will be used to fund alternative energy projects, that MIGHT, SOMEDAY, reduce gasoline prices is nothing more than a fig leaf. There is plenty of private capital out there invested in alternative energy. Alternative energy to be truly viable must be able to stand on its owns without government subsidies.
Oh and BTW, this tax is Obamas bright idea too. I never cease to be amazed by the stupidity of politicains...
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June 11, 2008 - 10:11am
#8
It's really simple, maybe too simple for the socialists in our midst!
Companies, corporations, big oil, business in general DO NOT pay taxes PERIOD! Their customers pay their taxes in the form of increased costs. If I own a business and I want to make a miliion a year. The socialists pass legislation taking $200,000 of that from me in the form of new taxes. I'm going to raise my prices to get that $200,000 back AND THEN SOME!
So now I'm making more than a million and my customer's wallets just got lighter.
Now the customers are going to demand that the socialist raise the minimum wage to make up for their lighter wallets which cuts AGAIN into my million plus. What do I do? Raise the prices again to make sure my bottom line stays at or above the profit margin I was earning (NOW it's a million plus PLUS).
So the SOCIALISTS decide to get even with those damned BIG COMPANIES by hitting capital gains taxes. Boy that'll piss off the investors. The investors were making, say, 10% profit on their investments. The SOCIALIST take 20% of that knocking down the investors profit to 8%. The investors get scared and sell off their investments and buy tax exempt bonds dropping the prices of stocks of the big companies, which in tern drops the profit magin down. What do the companies do...they either go out of business killing off thousands of jobs, or they restructure, killing off part of their jobs and then they raise prices so that the BIG DOGS still make their money, but now they get to declare lossess and the government tax revenue drops and the welfare rolls get longer.
So the SOCIALISTS start the whole ball rolling again. It's a vicious cycle. The individual, the consumer, is the one loosing , not the wealthy.
Solution, reduce corporate taxes and increase tax incentives. Eliminate capitol gains tax and encourage those who have the discipline to invest to make as much as they can.
Drop individual incometax COMPLETELY and go with a MODEST increase in sales tax.
Those who want to get rich will cut spending through discipline and common sense. Those who want to keep up with the Joneses and live like kings will spend more and feed the SOCIALISTS an increased tax revenue to spend on keeping those feeding at the welfare troughs fat and happy.
Economics 101
forbey
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It ain't easy, bein GREEZY!
June 11, 2008 - 1:54pm
#9
Ok let me get it straight...
The oil companies lobby the federal governt for tax relief, drilling rights, tax breaks, get federal money to advertise as long as they say they are doing somthing to help the enviorment. Oil campanies are the richest companies in the world and control every market that depends on it. Ceos making a billion a year salleries.
They Have an oil president, an oil condoleza, an oil cheney, and im sure there alot more greasy oil people in office today voting for them in congres.
So the federal govt should give more free land to oil companies and more tax money to explore and develope, Did i mention this land is our land and not theiers.
So what every elected politician has the best healthcare pensions and education and lets not for get security and perks. All paid for by Tax Payers. Talk about Entitlements.
Why dont the oil companies buy the land and ocean they want to drill in and pay for the drilling expense and not beg the Federal Govt. to pay for it after the Repuks got us into Iraq at 6 billion a week and afganistan at 4 billion a week.
And those brave repuks want to tighten the grip on Iran even more so they cause an embargo before W gets out of office and gas hits 15.00 a gallon. You repuks are assholes.
Ok ya-all
What part isnt true?
Saudi Arabians pay $ 0.30 a gallon for fuel i guess the saudis treat and look after there own people better then here.
I guess thats why Haliburton moved its headquarters 80% of it to Dubai. Probably for cheaper fuel...
You guys are all dumb asses
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June 11, 2008 - 2:15pm
#10
Quote:
Originally posted by: Tom Yaz
So tell me DC, and everbody else who supports this: How is raising taxes on the oil companies going to reduce the price of gasoline in the next 6 mos to a year? Answer: IT WONT! It will actually have the opposite effect as the oil companies will just pass this tax on to the consumer in higher gas prices.
This is nothing more than a "stick to the oil companies" to "get even" that will do NOTHING to reduce prices. What a complete bunch of envious morons the Democrats are...
To claim that the money will be used to fund alternative energy projects, that MIGHT, SOMEDAY, reduce gasoline prices is nothing more than a fig leaf. There is plenty of private capital out there invested in alternative energy. Alternative energy to be truly viable must be able to stand on its owns without government subsidies.
Oh and BTW, this tax is Obamas bright idea too. I never cease to be amazed by the stupidity of politicains...
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Hey Tom
With all the Tax breaks Bush gave to the top 10% of this country and all the corporations that got tax breaks.
And for all the money this govt. has given Oil companies its pay back time.
When I work over time I pay more taxs. so why not charge oil companies more taxs they are making more money. And charging consumers more at the pump with cries of shortages. Bush shopuld flood the market with our reserve.
To hell with alt energy. We need diesel hybrids and the legalization of drugs, no cap on SS, and the same healthcare bush and his entire family gets...
2010 Mercedes Benz S400 diesel Hybrid 40 mpg hwy http://www.hybridcars.com/vehicle/mercedes-benz-s400-hybrid.html
UP yours GM, FORD
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June 11, 2008 - 2:43pm
#11
I CERTAINLY support the legalization of drugs for Diezel Crazy!
All in favor say Aye!
Aye
forbey
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June 11, 2008 - 4:50pm
#12
Quote:
Originally posted by: DieselCrazy
Quote:
Originally posted by: Tom Yaz
So tell me DC, and everbody else who supports this: How is raising taxes on the oil companies going to reduce the price of gasoline in the next 6 mos to a year? Answer: IT WONT! It will actually have the opposite effect as the oil companies will just pass this tax on to the consumer in higher gas prices.
This is nothing more than a "stick to the oil companies" to "get even" that will do NOTHING to reduce prices. What a complete bunch of envious morons the Democrats are...
To claim that the money will be used to fund alternative energy projects, that MIGHT, SOMEDAY, reduce gasoline prices is nothing more than a fig leaf. There is plenty of private capital out there invested in alternative energy. Alternative energy to be truly viable must be able to stand on its owns without government subsidies.
Oh and BTW, this tax is Obamas bright idea too. I never cease to be amazed by the stupidity of politicains...
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By what authority do you tell me to "Question Authority"?
Hey Tom
With all the Tax breaks Bush gave to the top 10% of this country and all the corporations that got tax breaks.
And for all the money this govt. has given Oil companies its pay back time.
When I work over time I pay more taxs. so why not charge oil companies more taxs they are making more money. And charging consumers more at the pump with cries of shortages. Bush shopuld flood the market with our reserve.
To hell with alt energy. We need diesel hybrids and the legalization of drugs, no cap on SS, and the same healthcare bush and his entire family gets...
2010 Mercedes Benz S400 diesel Hybrid 40 mpg hwy http://www.hybridcars.com/vehicle/mercedes-benz-s400-hybrid.html
UP yours GM, FORD
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"And for all the money this govt. has given Oil companies its pay back time. "
Yep you have just agreed with my point. Like true Marxists, taxing the oil companies is all about "getting even" and has nothing to do with making gas less expensive...Even though the Dems and Obam lie thru their teeth and say otherwise...
And thats why the Republicans blocked the bill. Good for them. The Republican proposal to increase drilling, which will increase supply, will put downward pressure on prices. They are truly trying to DO SOMETHING to lower prices whereas the Dems are just trying to "get even"
"And for all the money this govt. has given Oil companies "
The tax credits are not "giveaways" because the money was the oil companies to start with. A tax credit only allows you or a business to keep what was YOURS to begin with. But you and your fellow socialist like to think all money is the governments...
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June 11, 2008 - 5:30pm
#13
Again!
EVERY SINGLE TAX INCREASE ON BIG BUSINESS IS AN ASSAULT ON THE POCKETS OF THE INDIVIDUALS DOING BUSINESS WITH THESE COMPANIES...
Simply because they pass them all on the the consumers!
I would just as soon the federal government REDUCE the burdens on big business and increase incentives to REDUCE their prices, increase their workforce and increase production.
forbey
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It ain't easy, bein GREEZY!
June 11, 2008 - 5:28pm
#14
tom yaz; et.al.,
ONE of the things that eternally fascinates me about the socialist/marxist/arrogant/TERMINALLY DUMB leftists here is that they just cannot see past the end of their noses; nor do they learn that the DIMocRATS & other SOCIALISTS lie to them & treat them as "useful idiots".
it is COMFORTING to the "good little socialists" to believe that the congresscritters serve them rather than see the TRUTH, which is that they serve ONLY themselves, as they fatten themselves at the taxpayers expense.
the "starter" of this thread is a CLASSIC example of a "good little socialist", who is naive/clue-LESS/CRAZY enough to swallow the LIES told to him by the DIMocRAT party ELITISTS.
free dixie,sw
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June 11, 2008 - 6:42pm
#15
I don't believe for one moment that the price of oil is a product of supply and demand there are many other considerations because for the first time in history for a year oil consumption leveled out without increasing if it was simple supply and demand that would have made gas prices plumet. Oil is traded on the stock market where entire nations play with the economy its no longer just supply and demand at that point.
But punishing big oil for profits in a business that is not declared as a monopoly and is not federally regulated is absolutely nuts.
If we want to have control of our fuel prices we have to take a more active role in our own country by being willing to utilize more resources we have direct control over and developing a REAL public transit system! How can we even try preaching to other countries about being environmentally aware when we can't even build a wind farm without years and years of delegation and debate and it takes companies from outside america to buy land and the rights to sell us power for us to have solar power plants. We could have affordable cheap power probably 5 years ago and probably affordable electric cars and many other things IF we had spent some money on developing the technology. But instead we worry about oil and SUV's.
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June 11, 2008 - 8:02pm
#16
Quote:
Originally posted by: Tom Yaz
Quote:
Originally posted by: DieselCrazy
Quote:
Originally posted by: Tom Yaz
So tell me DC, and everbody else who supports this: How is raising taxes on the oil companies going to reduce the price of gasoline in the next 6 mos to a year? Answer: IT WONT! It will actually have the opposite effect as the oil companies will just pass this tax on to the consumer in higher gas prices.
This is nothing more than a "stick to the oil companies" to "get even" that will do NOTHING to reduce prices. What a complete bunch of envious morons the Democrats are...
To claim that the money will be used to fund alternative energy projects, that MIGHT, SOMEDAY, reduce gasoline prices is nothing more than a fig leaf. There is plenty of private capital out there invested in alternative energy. Alternative energy to be truly viable must be able to stand on its owns without government subsidies.
Oh and BTW, this tax is Obamas bright idea too. I never cease to be amazed by the stupidity of politicains...
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By what authority do you tell me to "Question Authority"?
Hey Tom
With all the Tax breaks Bush gave to the top 10% of this country and all the corporations that got tax breaks.
And for all the money this govt. has given Oil companies its pay back time.
When I work over time I pay more taxs. so why not charge oil companies more taxs they are making more money. And charging consumers more at the pump with cries of shortages. Bush shopuld flood the market with our reserve.
To hell with alt energy. We need diesel hybrids and the legalization of drugs, no cap on SS, and the same healthcare bush and his entire family gets...
2010 Mercedes Benz S400 diesel Hybrid 40 mpg hwy http://www.hybridcars.com/vehicle/mercedes-benz-s400-hybrid.html
UP yours GM, FORD
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"And for all the money this govt. has given Oil companies its pay back time. "
Yep you have just agreed with my point. Like true Marxists, taxing the oil companies is all about "getting even" and has nothing to do with making gas less expensive...Even though the Dems and Obam lie thru their teeth and say otherwise...
And thats why the Republicans blocked the bill. Good for them. The Republican proposal to increase drilling, which will increase supply, will put downward pressure on prices. They are truly trying to DO SOMETHING to lower prices whereas the Dems are just trying to "get even"
"And for all the money this govt. has given Oil companies "
The tax credits are not "giveaways" because the money was the oil companies to start with. A tax credit only allows you or a business to keep what was YOURS to begin with. But you and your fellow socialist like to think all money is the governments...
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By what authority do you tell me to "Question Authority"?
You just made my point.
I have been paying taxes from 15 years old served in the military and never got one thin dime from the government to better my self.
Allthough Airlines, auto industry, oil companies cry layoffs and poverty and the government hands over money like when it bailed ut chrysler and the airlines after 911. Companies have billions in reseres and can take care of them selves.
Tommy isnt that what you preach take care of ur self. I hope every company in this country folds and we turn to eating rats. then as you preach the smart and strong will survive.
Tell your precious W dirt bag to flood the market with american black gold and drive the price of oil back down to 12.00 a barrel.
When the first bomb explodes in Iran expect 10 to 15 a ga
June 11, 2008 - 8:11pm
#17
Quote:
Originally posted by: forbey
I CERTAINLY support the legalization of drugs for Diezel Crazy!
All in favor say Aye!
Aye
forbey
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hahah thanks buddy...
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June 11, 2008 - 8:14pm
#18
Quote:
Originally posted by: forbey
Again!
EVERY SINGLE TAX INCREASE ON BIG BUSINESS IS AN ASSAULT ON THE POCKETS OF THE INDIVIDUALS DOING BUSINESS WITH THESE COMPANIES...
Simply because they pass them all on the the consumers!
I would just as soon the federal government REDUCE the burdens on big business and increase incentives to REDUCE their prices, increase their workforce and increase production.
forbey
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It ain't easy, bein GREEZY!
Well if this country had Free health care like our elcted politicians get then maybe we can be more competitive in the world like the free healthcare in japan and europe and south america, and eastern europe, CANADA!!!!! yes the entire world has a Socialized healthcare sysytem but this country.
What ever the healthcare is there its there and im sure if you want to get ahead of the line you can pay.... DB's
In the entire world industrial hemp is legal except here thanks to Nixon oh and thank that dog shit of a president for sucking up to the insurance companies and creating hmo's. you stupid MF's
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June 11, 2008 - 9:24pm
#19
>>I have been paying taxes from 15 years old served in the military and never got one thin dime
from the government to better my self.
Good for you! You werent thinking you were "entitled" to it where you? Besides, since when is it the governments job to better you?
>>>>I hope every company in this country folds and we turn to eating rats.
If you want to tax them to death that is exactly what will happen. How do you like your rat prepared?
>>>and the government hands over money like when it bailed ut chrysler and the airlines after 911
I agree. I dont think the govt should subsidize people or companies, or alternative fuels.
>>>then as you preach the smart and strong will survive.
When did I preach that? But I guess your shit out of luck
as you certainly arent very smart.
>>>Tell your precious W dirt bag to flood the market with american black gold and drive the price of oil back down to 12.00 a barrel.
Bush doesnt produce oil. Oil companies do. The Republicans and Bush want to open up drilling to these oil companies so that we can "Flood the market with american black gold and drive the price back down to 12.00 a barrel" as you said. But you condem the Republicans for trying to do just that.
But again, you are excused because your not very bright.
Instead you applaud your just-as-stupid hero Democrats who want to tax the oil companies thinking it will reduce the price of oil.
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June 11, 2008 - 11:44pm
#20
A perspective for the leftists if they can set their Bush hatred and self hatred aside long enough to have an open mind. If you really want to be mad at some one be mad at your self. For years everyone demanded low cost energy. The US has enjoyed that and their economy and lifestyle has prospered. In turn we as US citizens have demanded more and more cheaper ( I can?t count as high as I see that word Cheaper on this Forum) goods. So we asked China and India 2 Billion population and low cost labor (No Labor unions) compared to our little 300 million in the US and guess what, we grew their economies to the point that they have a middle class and know they are demanding cheap and plentiful goods and services like we did. When the left talking points about the US uses its unfair share of resources compared to the rest of the world will no longer be true. So the very people that we help to become prosperous now are competing with us for world resources and they don't give a rats a$$ about how or what they do to get it including polluting the planet. If all you church of Global warming congregation really wanted to make a difference (instead of whining) Get these countries up to the US EPA standards then you will have accomplished something. Its all connected, so in the mean time our economy and standard of living can become less than what we are used to, as we talk about differences and hatred, China and India are improving their standard of living and will pass the US in resource consumption then you will have something to whine about.. Since the same people that keep saying we need to be foreign oil independent are the same people talking out both sides of their mouth and stops us from getting our own domestic oil they then let China drill 80 miles off shore of the US as they partnered with Cuba. We are no longer the king of control on the planet and its just not about US anymore. That is why they call it a GLOBAL ECONOMY. So when your talking about the petty stuff our competing countries will be taking what we could have had and not of this would be a topic of discussion. This is all bigger than any one person understands or knows. But it is cheap (there is that word again) entertainment I for one will adapt and NOT depend on our Gov to take care of me. The rest can continue being CO Dependant and entitled, DC you all know who you are.
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June 12, 2008 - 7:50am
#21
"...like the free healthcare in japan and europe and south america, and eastern europe, CANADA!!!!!"...
...you think healthcare is "free" in these countries? LMAO!!
Yep my RN wife is going to work for FREE!
LMAO!!
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June 12, 2008 - 9:01am
#22
Free Anything produced by the government isn't free, unless you are a deadbeat sucking the life out of society.
If you are a wage earner, trying to better yourself and increase your earnings, YOU are paying for the deadbeats!
Free Healthcare, as experienced in, OH say Canada, means longer lines, doctors who weren't good enough to make it in America, less QA/QC for medicines and RIDICULOUSLY HIGH INCOME TAXES!
The solution isn't to get our health care to the level of the politicians. It isn't to get Social Security to the level of the legislative retirement programs. The goal is to get people elected to office who will vote to end Legislative perks like free health care, retirement and put them all on the SS roles like the rest of us. Then the politicians will straighten out the problems, until then they will continue to screw around and play with our lives and our incomes like they belong to them.
On a side note: the Anti-Bushies can scream all they want about global warming, dependancy on foreign oil, lack of an environmental plan, etc; but they can't get past the fact that 8 years of Clinton didn't solve the problems and the last two years of Democratic Party control of Congress hasn't made any progress either.
I guarantee Obama won't save us any money and won't solve any problems either.
Hell! A 50 year old man (or whatever his actual age is) asking for change is nothing new... I see it on the streets in every city I visit!
forbey
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It ain't easy, bein GREEZY!
June 12, 2008 - 10:41am
#23
forbey;tom yaz;all,
fwiw,
NO company pays taxes. instead they COLLECT taxes from the persons whom BUY their goods & services.
so a "windfall profits tax on big oil" will be collected for "DUH FEDRUL GUBMINT" by those "terrible oil companies"!!!
ANYONE who is DUMB enough to believe the socialists/DIMocRAT "public servants" deserves what they WILL get = LONG lines at the gas pump, HIGHER prices, more federal control & LESS liberty!!!
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
June 12, 2008 - 11:45am
#24
Quote:
Originally posted by: Basshopper
A perspective for the leftists if they can set their Bush hatred and self hatred aside long enough to have an open mind. If you really want to be mad at some one be mad at your self. For years everyone demanded low cost energy. The US has enjoyed that and their economy and lifestyle has prospered. In turn we as US citizens have demanded more and more cheaper ( I can?t count as high as I see that word Cheaper on this Forum) goods. So we asked China and India 2 Billion population and low cost labor (No Labor unions) compared to our little 300 million in the US and guess what, we grew their economies to the point that they have a middle class and know they are demanding cheap and plentiful goods and services like we did. When the left talking points about the US uses its unfair share of resources compared to the rest of the world will no longer be true. So the very people that we help to become prosperous now are competing with us for world resources and they don't give a rats a$$ about how or what they do to get it including polluting the planet. If all you church of Global warming congregation really wanted to make a difference (instead of whining) Get these countries up to the US EPA standards then you will have accomplished something. Its all connected, so in the mean time our economy and standard of living can become less than what we are used to, as we talk about differences and hatred, China and India are improving their standard of living and will pass the US in resource consumption then you will have something to whine about.. Since the same people that keep saying we need to be foreign oil independent are the same people talking out both sides of their mouth and stops us from getting our own domestic oil they then let China drill 80 miles off shore of the US as they partnered with Cuba. We are no longer the king of control on the planet and its just not about US anymore. That is why they call it a GLOBAL ECONOMY. So when your talking about the petty stuff our competing countries will be taking what we could have had and not of this would be a topic of discussion. This is all bigger than any one person understands or knows. But it is cheap (there is that word again) entertainment I for one will adapt and NOT depend on our Gov to take care of me. The rest can continue being CO Dependant and entitled, DC you all know who you are.
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2006 Duramax LBZ, GC Kit with , Co-Pilot (Set it and forget it), 200 gal tank 5000 mile range, 8500 miles per VO 4 Mic absolute Filter,Inline Particle Counter for ISO rated WVO Cleanliness. Now I pass everything including the fuel station.
For your information BASSHOPPER.
In europe fuel is so high because its tax base includes, Property taxs, healthcare, and education. So when a person retires they dont have to worry about paying property taxs or healthcare.
Rather here fuel prices are high due to profits and big ones.
Yes and Bush and his entire family are oil men.
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June 12, 2008 - 11:50am
#25
Quote:
Originally posted by: forbey
Free Anything produced by the government isn't free, unless you are a deadbeat sucking the life out of society.
If you are a wage earner, trying to better yourself and increase your earnings, YOU are paying for the deadbeats!
Free Healthcare, as experienced in, OH say Canada, means longer lines, doctors who weren't good enough to make it in America, less QA/QC for medicines and RIDICULOUSLY HIGH INCOME TAXES!
The solution isn't to get our health care to the level of the politicians. It isn't to get Social Security to the level of the legislative retirement programs. The goal is to get people elected to office who will vote to end Legislative perks like free health care, retirement and put them all on the SS roles like the rest of us. Then the politicians will straighten out the problems, until then they will continue to screw around and play with our lives and our incomes like they belong to them.
On a side note: the Anti-Bushies can scream all they want about global warming, dependancy on foreign oil, lack of an environmental plan, etc; but they can't get past the fact that 8 years of Clinton didn't solve the problems and the last two years of Democratic Party control of Congress hasn't made any progress either.
I guarantee Obama won't save us any money and won't solve any problems either.
Hell! A 50 year old man (or whatever his actual age is) asking for change is nothing new... I see it on the streets in every city I visit!
forbey
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It ain't easy, bein GREEZY!
What dont you understand about the rest of our Alies have a national healthcare system and the Euro, Pound, Yen, ect are stronger then the doller even the Peso is stronger. Mexico has a national healcare sysytem.
Are u that F Up or just stupid.
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June 12, 2008 - 12:04pm
#26
diesel CRAZY,
have you LIVED IN any of those countries??? (NO, i thought NOT).
my guess is that you've NEVER expierienced ANY of the "wonders" that you prattle on about. (that's why you are a JOKE & "a commonplace target for ridicule" to most people here.)
i HAVE lived in several of those countries over the last 3 decades while a US military member & trust me on this===> you've been LIED TO & MADE a FOOL OF by the America-HATING idiots/bigots/fools on the LEFT.
NONE of those "wunnerful, wunnerful socialist paradises" is 1/10th as good a place to live as the USA.
(if we could get rid of the LEFTIST, "useful idiots" like YOU, it would be even a BETTER place to be. have you considered moving NORTH to Canada or SOUTH to Cuba??)
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
June 12, 2008 - 12:35pm
#27
"What dont you understand about the rest of our Alies have a national healthcare system and the Euro, Pound, Yen, ect are stronger then the doller even the Peso is stronger. Mexico has a national healcare sysytem"
So those currencies are stronger becasue they have national healthcare? LOL! Its like saying the ocean is blue because trees are green...
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By what authority do you tell me to "Question Authority"?
June 12, 2008 - 1:48pm
#28
Quote:
Originally posted by: DieselCrazy
Quote:
Originally posted by: forbey
Free Anything produced by the government isn't free, unless you are a deadbeat sucking the life out of society.
If you are a wage earner, trying to better yourself and increase your earnings, YOU are paying for the deadbeats!
Free Healthcare, as experienced in, OH say Canada, means longer lines, doctors who weren't good enough to make it in America, less QA/QC for medicines and RIDICULOUSLY HIGH INCOME TAXES!
The solution isn't to get our health care to the level of the politicians. It isn't to get Social Security to the level of the legislative retirement programs. The goal is to get people elected to office who will vote to end Legislative perks like free health care, retirement and put them all on the SS roles like the rest of us. Then the politicians will straighten out the problems, until then they will continue to screw around and play with our lives and our incomes like they belong to them.
On a side note: the Anti-Bushies can scream all they want about global warming, dependancy on foreign oil, lack of an environmental plan, etc; but they can't get past the fact that 8 years of Clinton didn't solve the problems and the last two years of Democratic Party control of Congress hasn't made any progress either.
I guarantee Obama won't save us any money and won't solve any problems either.
Hell! A 50 year old man (or whatever his actual age is) asking for change is nothing new... I see it on the streets in every city I visit!
forbey
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It ain't easy, bein GREEZY!
What dont you understand about the rest of our Alies have a national healthcare system and the Euro, Pound, Yen, ect are stronger then the doller even the Peso is stronger. Mexico has a national healcare sysytem.
Are u that F Up or just stupid.
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If those countries are so great why do they all want to live in the USA, The measure of a country is count the people that want to leave and measure the delta to the ones that want to live here. If its so great and you have all this distane for our great country why don't you move there then you can complain in spanish where nobody cares wait nobody care here either
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2006 Duramax LBZ, GC Kit with , Co-Pilot (Set it and forget it), 200 gal tank 5000 mile range, 8500 miles per VO 4 Mic absolute Filter,Inline Particle Counter for ISO rated WVO Cleanliness. Now I pass everything including the fuel station.
June 12, 2008 - 4:58pm
#29
basshopper,
WELL SAID.
further, IF we could get the LEFTISTS, "useful idiots" & the deadbeats to GO to those "socialist paradises", perhaps dixie would not need to be free.
i won't hold my breath till they do however.
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
June 13, 2008 - 10:14am
#30
Theres imigration all over the world you think people dont settle in England, France, Japan, Italy, Irland? You think every body wants to migrate here.
A coligue of mine went back to Irland and is doing better there now then he was here. Irland has a booming economy and they have free healthcare.
I bet there are more homeless people here then in the rest of the world like there are more incarcerations then the rest of the world thanks to the war on drugs started by 41.
You right wingers are just to mule headed to fight for your rights and have no foundation or evidence of an economic collapse if this country had a national healthcare program and take the burdon of healthcare of industry.
Maybe then the jobs will come back....
Hell even Iraq had a national healthcare programe.
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June 13, 2008 - 10:46am
#31
diesel CRAZY,
what i DO know about Canada's "comprehensive health plan" is that my dear friend Tom ___________________ wife Dorothy was told by the provincial health commisssioner in an official letter that she was TOO OLD & TOO SICK for them to "expend the funds" on her necessary cancer surgery.
the plain TRUTH is that you "know NOT & know NOT that you know NOT".
in other words, i'm telling you that you are one of those "useful idiots" that believe the KNOWING LIES told to FOOLS by the America-HATING,arrogant, elitist, LEFTISTS.
not understanding that is why you are a "commonplace target for RIDICULE" by smarter greasers.
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
June 13, 2008 - 3:03pm
#32
DC,
When you are right you are right!
My French ancestors migrated to Canada (in the 1600s); HOWEVER, they then migrated to America in the 1800s.
My Slovak ancestors migrated to England to get away from the Czar late 1800s. From there they migrated to Canada, early 1900s; HOWEVER, they finally settled in New England (that is in America for those that are confuzed.)
My Scottish ancestors were driven out of Scotland to England to make room for SHEEP; HOWEVER, they kept moving. Funny thing, they settled in Canada; HOWEVER, they ended up in Vermont and Connecticut (Damn, I'm pretty sure that's in the USA too!)
My Native American Ancestors were believed to have walked across the ICE BRIDGE fro the Orient to North America.
By the way, I gues you weren't right after all!
forbey
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It ain't easy, bein GREEZY!
June 13, 2008 - 3:18pm
#33
I have an aunt in England right now that just came out of the hospital. She waited 2 years for an operation and just had it a few months ago. She went in on Wednesday for stomach pains - they ran a few tests on her and sent her home. There are more tests they will run on her when they have time...
Yeah, they have socialized medicine over there. it isn't free - they have a payroll tax of 17%. That doesn't come out of fuel taxes - that comes off the top of your paycheck. Medicine is then rationed out. You don't get treatment when you need it - you get it when it's your turn. If you die before getting your treatment, someone else just moves up the line.
I agree with the thought that our medical system is broken. I disagree that socialized medicine is the fix. I'd rather see privatization and the elimination of public funds in all forms. Take insurance out of the mix even - cut the lawyers out and bring back small Dr's offices and a "pay as you go" system. If you cannot afford a Dr - maybe private charity can help. Cut the cost of medical care down to something affordable and you can eliminate a large part of the problem.
June 14, 2008 - 8:47am
#34
Quote:
Originally posted by: forbey
DC,
When you are right you are right!
My French ancestors migrated to Canada (in the 1600s); HOWEVER, they then migrated to America in the 1800s.
My Slovak ancestors migrated to England to get away from the Czar late 1800s. From there they migrated to Canada, early 1900s; HOWEVER, they finally settled in New England (that is in America for those that are confuzed.)
My Scottish ancestors were driven out of Scotland to England to make room for SHEEP; HOWEVER, they kept moving. Funny thing, they settled in Canada; HOWEVER, they ended up in Vermont and Connecticut (Damn, I'm pretty sure that's in the USA too!)
My Native American Ancestors were believed to have walked across the ICE BRIDGE fro the Orient to North America.
By the way, I gues you weren't right after all!
forbey
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It ain't easy, bein GREEZY!
Yeah in the 1800's when there were cowboys and indians and free land.
June 14, 2008 - 8:49am
#35
Quote:
Originally posted by: stand watie
diesel CRAZY,
what i DO know about Canada's "comprehensive health plan" is that my dear friend Tom ___________________ wife Dorothy was told by the provincial health commisssioner in an official letter that she was TOO OLD & TOO SICK for them to "expend the funds" on her necessary cancer surgery.
the plain TRUTH is that you "know NOT & know NOT that you know NOT".
in other words, i'm telling you that you are one of those "useful idiots" that believe the KNOWING LIES told to FOOLS by the America-HATING,arrogant, elitist, LEFTISTS.
not understanding that is why you are a "commonplace target for RIDICULE" by smarter greasers.
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
Our healthcare sysytem has the same limits. Our healthcare paid is not an endless pit of money. Once your premium runs out your on your ownunless you are lucky enough to have a working spouse. My dental cover my for 1000, and this is a family plan it also includes cleaning and no antibiotics. How far does a thousand go for a family of three or forur.
Look at your automobile insurance there are limits like you healthcare.
Health plans have to be approved your treatment your DR. doesent have the power to order treatment on you (except Politicians like Kennedy with a national healthcare plan paid for by uninsured working families taxs.) they need to goto the middle man the HMO and then if it s big money they send out the sharks to cancel your plan if it is private plan. I have never been sick but when my dad got sick his workmans health care plan covered him.
So if we went to a private care system where the employer would write a check for employees the HMO would have a field day they would pay for nothing. At that point your better off on welfare and get medicaide a national healcare plan.
So what Politicians preach to us is that a Natinal healcare plan is bat for the Country but Good for them...
For your information when somoe speaks out you call them a marxists leftist. Are you like 88 and on your last leg and live in a basement with you cat and dont see sunlight? Idont hate anybody even LSD or SW. I am standing up for my majority the 80% of americans, and would like the 20% elitists who hoard all the money.
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June 14, 2008 - 11:37am
#36
diesel CRAZY,
in other words, you are clue-LESS & a "useful idiot" of the LEFTISTS, who "knows NOT & knows NOT that he knows NOT".
ALL of the socialist countries have "national health insurance" but it is a KNOWING LIE, told by the government to FOOLS, who are DUMB enough to believe such nonsense.
fwiw, i was stationed in Venezuela in the early '90s. i got a minor injury & needed 8 stitches & a tetnaus shot.
i was told at the hospital to come back in two days!!! since i was bleeding, i called a local Dr & paid him cash to sew me up (good thing that he wanted the $$$$$ & that i knew who he was.).
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
June 15, 2008 - 8:18am
#37
Quote:
Originally posted by: stand watie
diesel CRAZY,
in other words, you are clue-LESS & a "useful idiot" of the LEFTISTS, who "knows NOT & knows NOT that he knows NOT".
ALL of the socialist countries have "national health insurance" but it is a KNOWING LIE, told by the government to FOOLS, who are DUMB enough to believe such nonsense.
fwiw, i was stationed in Venezuela in the early '90s. i got a minor injury & needed 8 stitches & a tetnaus shot.
i was told at the hospital to come back in two days!!! since i was bleeding, i called a local Dr & paid him cash to sew me up (good thing that he wanted the $$$$$ & that i knew who he was.).
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
Why didnt you go on sick call????
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June 15, 2008 - 10:43am
#38
diesel CRAZY,
it's DUMB questions like that that make you look SILLY & a "target for commonplace ridicule".
there are NO US bases in VZ. thus no "sick call".
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
June 15, 2008 - 12:38pm
#39
Quote:
Originally posted by: stand watie
diesel CRAZY,
it's DUMB questions like that that make you look SILLY & a "target for commonplace ridicule".
there are NO US bases in VZ. thus no "sick call".
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
Right so being in active service and getting injured the Military said they would not treat you because there are no established basses therfore you must pay for your own medical expenses.
Questioned were your deloyed by your self or are you living in a bubble?
Where ever I was deployed to or stationed while in the NG I had access to a DR 24/7 no matter what the cause, reason, or type of injury and paid for by Good Ole Uncle Sam.
Stop us bullshit. Ur done jack ass
June 15, 2008 - 7:37pm
#40
Quote:
Originally posted by: DieselCrazy
Quote:
Originally posted by: stand watie
diesel CRAZY,
in other words, you are clue-LESS & a "useful idiot" of the LEFTISTS, who "knows NOT & knows NOT that he knows NOT".
ALL of the socialist countries have "national health insurance" but it is a KNOWING LIE, told by the government to FOOLS, who are DUMB enough to believe such nonsense.
fwiw, i was stationed in Venezuela in the early '90s. i got a minor injury & needed 8 stitches & a tetnaus shot.
i was told at the hospital to come back in two days!!! since i was bleeding, i called a local Dr & paid him cash to sew me up (good thing that he wanted the $$$$$ & that i knew who he was.).
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
Why didnt you go on sick call????
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He said he was in the military, not the girl scouts! Apparently he had to work - he couldn't call in sick because of a little case of the cramps!
Perhaps you should find out what exactly his role was in the military before you start making accusations. It would be a nice change for you NOT to be the fool. At least one time!!!
June 15, 2008 - 9:19pm
#41
diesel CRAZY,
as i said, you have the reputation on this forum of being a "useful idiot" & a HATE-FILLED, arrogant, FOOL. (your SILLY, UNKNOWING accusations are YET another reason that you are.)
i was deployed with exactly 6 other MPs on a special assignment for the DOD/DOS.
we were told that we could use the VZ civil medical facilitties (if necessary) on a at cost/reimbursement basis.
unfortunately, i was NOT a priority for the VZ ER (being a gringo.) & as i said they told me that i should come back in 2 days for stitches.
i didn't wish to wait that long, so i made my own VERY UNOFFICIAL arrangement. (if i remember correctly, i paid him the US equivilient of about 15.oo. at that time 408 Bolivars = ONE USD.)
so one more (NO surprise) you look like a hate-FILLED, "out of touch with reality", arrogant, KNOWS NOTHING & a DUNCE.
laughing AT you.
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
June 15, 2008 - 9:30pm
#42
81SD,
it must be nice to think that you know EVERYTHING, as "diesel CRAZY" believes he does.
fwiw, i think it's SAD that this forum has to have a very FEW dunces/BIGOTS/lunatics, who make us all look bad.
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
June 16, 2008 - 4:34pm
#43
Quote:
Originally posted by: stand watie
diesel CRAZY,
as i said, you have the reputation on this forum of being a "useful idiot" & a HATE-FILLED, arrogant, FOOL. (your SILLY, UNKNOWING accusations are YET another reason that you are.)
i was deployed with exactly 6 other MPs on a special assignment for the DOD/DOS.
we were told that we could use the VZ civil medical facilitties (if necessary) on a at cost/reimbursement basis.
unfortunately, i was NOT a priority for the VZ ER (being a gringo.) & as i said they told me that i should come back in 2 days for stitches.
i didn't wish to wait that long, so i made my own VERY UNOFFICIAL arrangement. (if i remember correctly, i paid him the US equivilient of about 15.oo. at that time 408 Bolivars = ONE USD.)
so one more (NO surprise) you look like a hate-FILLED, "out of touch with reality", arrogant, KNOWS NOTHING & a DUNCE.
laughing AT you.
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
ya ya ya
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June 16, 2008 - 4:38pm
#44
Quote:
Originally posted by: 81SD
Quote:
Originally posted by: DieselCrazy
Quote:
Originally posted by: stand watie
diesel CRAZY,
in other words, you are clue-LESS & a "useful idiot" of the LEFTISTS, who "knows NOT & knows NOT that he knows NOT".
ALL of the socialist countries have "national health insurance" but it is a KNOWING LIE, told by the government to FOOLS, who are DUMB enough to believe such nonsense.
fwiw, i was stationed in Venezuela in the early '90s. i got a minor injury & needed 8 stitches & a tetnaus shot.
i was told at the hospital to come back in two days!!! since i was bleeding, i called a local Dr & paid him cash to sew me up (good thing that he wanted the $$$$$ & that i knew who he was.).
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
Why didnt you go on sick call????
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He said he was in the military, not the girl scouts! Apparently he had to work - he couldn't call in sick because of a little case of the cramps!
Perhaps you should find out what exactly his role was in the military before you start making accusations. It would be a nice change for you NOT to be the fool. At least one time!!!
hey bitch
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June 16, 2008 - 9:49pm
#45
diesel CRAZY,
don't you get really tired of being thought to be a FOOL, a KNOWS NOTHING & a 5th grade dropout???
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
June 17, 2008 - 12:43pm
#46
diesel CRAZY,
btw, CREEP, you owe me an apology for saying i lied.
i really don't expect that you're a big enough to do that (i suspect that you're "a prissy fellow".), so i'll simply say that i think you are GARBAGE & a source of HUMILIATION to the DECENT people on this forum.
laughing AT you, CRETIN.
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
June 18, 2008 - 6:07pm
#47
Quote:
Originally posted by: stand watie
diesel CRAZY,
btw, CREEP, you owe me an apology for saying i lied.
i really don't expect that you're a big enough to do that (i suspect that you're "a prissy fellow".), so i'll simply say that i think you are GARBAGE & a source of HUMILIATION to the DECENT people on this forum.
laughing AT you, CRETIN.
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
Stand you were an MP in Venezuella?
protecting who?
were you in uniform?
You were w/o a battalion or a company?
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June 18, 2008 - 10:21pm
#48
dieselCRAZY,
laughing AT you, DUMBO.
i was (if you had bothered to read what i said earlier you wouldn't look so FOOLish/ignorant/silly.) on detached service for the DOD/DOS.
we were on the "morning report" (you DO know what a morning report is, don't you??) of USASOCOM in Panama, though NONE of the seven of us ever set foot IN Panama.
we mostly wore VZ army uniforms (with a US recognition badge) and were TEACHING procedures for the VZ MPs & Gardia National to be "peacekeepers" for the UN mission to an African nation. (we protected NOBODY but ourselves.)
btw, you STILL owe everyone/me an APOLOGY for being a FOOL & an IGNORANT excuse for a human being, though i won't hold my breath till you are TRUTHFUL/DECENT/HONORABLE.
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
June 18, 2008 - 10:35pm
#49
Quote:
Originally posted by: stand watie
dieselCRAZY,
laughing AT you, DUMBO.
i was (if you had bothered to read what i said earlier you wouldn't look so FOOLish/ignorant/silly.) on detached service for the DOD/DOS.
we were on the "morning report" (you DO know what a morning report is, don't you??) of USASOCOM in Panama, though NONE of the seven of us ever set foot IN Panama.
we mostly wore VZ army uniforms (with a US recognition badge) and were TEACHING procedures for the VZ MPs & Gardia National to be "peacekeepers" for the UN mission to an African nation. (we protected NOBODY but ourselves.)
btw, you STILL owe everyone/me an APOLOGY for being a FOOL & an IGNORANT excuse for a human being, though i won't hold my breath till you are TRUTHFUL/DECENT/HONORABLE.
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
You ought to laugh at your self because I dont believe you....
also why would they pick a winning idiot like you all that you seem to know or do best is copy and past blabber....
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June 18, 2008 - 10:52pm
#50
diesel CRAZY;all,
OK. well, let's have a poll of the membership. ====> do ANY of you "greasers" reading this thread believe ANYTHING that the HATE-FILLED, arrogant FOOL, dieselCRAZY says OR (like me) do you think he's an empty-head, a BIGOT & not bright enough to be breathing????
to dieselCRAZY: i vote that you are a KNOWING LIAR, a "useful idiot" & a BIGOT of the 1st Class.
free dixie,sw
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"Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson, 1804
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