My new custom built centrifuge system
1-9-11
Well Gang, I just completed building my Acme Juicer(s) centrifuge. After much guidance from Brian Miller (as usual), I stepped up his own juicer system with an improved self-contained rolling centrifuge cleaning and dispensing unit/system that is neat, clean, and anal (Chase approved, I hope!)
Before I begin, if you do not have time nor are relatively mechanically inclined, go and buy the centrifuge system that is $1,500 delivered to your door! I think it is called “Absolute Centrifuge”. This system is nicely built with integrated heat, etc, etc. The only down side is that it is rated for 10 GPH (from what I was told). My system can safely handle 60 GPH+ depending on heat and how clean my WVO is prior to entering the juicers. That being said, if I had to purchase all material(s) needed for this project, I would be close to $1,000.00 without blinking an eye. As it stands now, I have $450.00 into this system, which includes the 3-juicers ($130.00 from eBay) and 3-trips to Home Depot ($320.00). The following material/equipment I had laying around in my shop: Stainless steel sewage ejection pump, plexi-glass, 4x4s, 2x4s, plywood, collection barrel, hoses, clamps, heavy duty casters, all sorts of hardware (hinges, handles, screws), silicone, and paint.
Since my wife and I decided not to go away for the Christmas holiday (we really did not feel like getting groped up by some low-life TSA agent….call us silly.), I told her I wanted to build a centrifuge system. Well, I lost myself in my shop for a total of 6-days (no B.S.) Don’t get me wrong, I really enjoyed constructing this Centrifuge Frankenstein because I had the time and the patience, but if you do not have this time, this is not the route for you, trust me!
Okay: First the juicers. The Acme 6001 juicer is what I used. My purchase range was $30.00 to $50.00 with shipping. Cut some cheap (new) roofing flashing to cover the entire interior side screen section of the spinning bowl. Use some goop/glue/silicone to attach the flashing to the inside of the blow to prevent anything from going through the perforated holes. Try to smooth out the glue and leave a small metal overlap with your flashing. Remember, this juicer spins at about 3,500 rpm's, so you want to keep it as balanced as possible. Make sure your juicer is on a flat surface and that it (they) are level. When wvo starts feeding into the juicer, it is going to wobble a bit. My three did, so I used pipe insulation to make a perimeter cradle that allowed them to vibrate but not walk away. Brian is a big fan of duct tape, bailing wire, and bungee cords. They are all good for experimentation and setting things up. I’m just a bit more obsessive compulsive than Miller is!
I constructed a wooden box (roughly 34” square by 48” high) on heavy duty casters with an internal shelf that holds the three juicers. I bent up some aluminum flashing (resembling a “U”) and zipped screwed them to the juicer outlet spigot. These aluminum channels terminate into my collection barrel. I have the pump set for 20-gallons on a float switch. The barrel can safely hold 30-gallons and I will adjust the output if I want to. I encased the box with plywood on the bottom and plexi-glass on the sides and top. I built a plexi glass hinged top box that surrounds the juicers while allowing the ¾” PVC to travel though the top box into the juicers. I wanted everything to be enclosed so I can prevent any possible contamination of my clean oil from the elements. Both wooden bottoms (juicer and barrel) have been sealed with silicone as to hold any possible wvo spilled within the box (and not on my new driveway!)
I constructed a ¾” PVC manifold (with a slight angle) through two 2x4 diagonal uprights (for PVC support.) I can run one juicer at a time, two juicers at a time, or all three. Each juicer has a dedicated valve to adjust the flow rate of wvo to them.
To heat the oil, I constructed a 2” black pipe with a thermostatically controlled hot water heater element inside. Where the electric is attached to the element is where I have a “TEE’ and a right angle filling reduced to ¾ plastic reinforced hose that is connected to the PVC manifold on the centrifuge box. I have my 275 gallon totes elevated as so the tote outlet tube (on the bottom) is a tad bit higher than the centrifuge manifold inlet. Gravity (or head pressure) allows the oil to flow through the heat pipe, get hot, then flow through the PVC manifold, into the juicers, into the collection barrel, then pumped back into the same tote (or to the truck.)
It’s painted, it’s clean, it works great, and it’s mine!
I will post pictures if someone tells me how. All of the centrifuge pictures are in my Photo Bucket account listed above.
Any questions?
Ask away.
Again, special thanks to Brian Miller for all of his help and input!
Ciao ciao for now.
Slate
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I just thought of a warning... If you use Plastic (PVC) anything over 100 degrees soften the plastic and will bend, come a part, ect.
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I do not think I will get that high in temp.
I should be close now that I installed thermostates.
I will watch the PVC for signs of weakness, thanks.
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Just a few comments....Probably just a typo but Acme juicerators spin at 3,500 rpm (not 35,000). In the future consider using cpvc as it has a higher temperature tolerance or pex.
Acme's juicerator centrifuges were my first choice to clean the oil when I converted my car a few years back. They are a relatively cheap way to clean yor oil and work great if kept within their limitations.
Just my 2 cents...
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Typo....I fixed it........Thanks.
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Oh crap, you dont want to see my set up right now!!!
this is one juicer going into another juicer...twice

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Ladies and gentleman:
The king of Duct tape.....
Mr. Brian Miller.
Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
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Oh crap, you dont want to see my set up right now!!!
Can't be worse than Millers!
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Brian's is more effictive. Plus he is the one who told "EXPERTS" they are full of shit and he always shared his ideas for free.
How do I post a pic? I am watching the BCS game but I can go out a take a snapshot....It will look better in the dark.
I haven't converted my truck yet, still running biodiesel but I only have 24 gallons of methanol left so 120 more gallons and I am done. This centrifuge has gotten me off my ass. I have a greasecar kit just sitting since July. I actually looked at it today and figured some stuff out. I bought it used so laid everything out and I looks pretty straight forward.
how to post pics.
http://www.greasecar.com/forums/grease-board/how-do-i-post-photos
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Dont know what that is
Brian's is more effictive. Plus he is the one who told "EXPERTS" they are full of shit and he always shared his ideas for free.
You got that right!
You know, I'm just breaking his balls right?
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Yes, of course I know that.
Ok I got that photobucket thing now, I have some video I sent from my Iphone...This is not a permanent setup.
http://s1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc505/juju5360/
You and Miller must have been seperated twins at birth ( he he he he.)
I love the tie down strap.
Miller, you gonna take that from him?
He's one step ahead of you in the creative "hold the juicer down" department (smiley face.)
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been there done that. look at all the duck tape and tie down straps....lol




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.slate, you need to add to your list of how too is the screws you add to the top to hold the lid on
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cutakenta, your juicer is to high or your holding tank is to low. but thats about 10 to 12 gallons an hr. your running. and yes if you can add heat to that it will help alot. oh and you need a control valve at the juicer will help also. but got to love your simple set up. did that cost as much to make as slatemd did? lol
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Yuk, yuk, yuk!
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Good morning Gang: I have a quick update for you. I ran two- juicers for several hours yesterday in order to tweak my system a bit. It is running well, but my only problem was heat. I have two different emersion heaters with two different lengths (14” and 10” I believe.) Yesterday, I installed the 14” heater on the bottom of my tote, set the thermostat to 100-degrees and discovered a pinhole in my cast iron “TEE” (made in China Home Depot Crap!) I removed this unit and installed the 10” heater and set it’s thermostat to 100-degrees. My oil was around 50-degrees at the juicers. I turned the thermostat up to its max (150-degrees) and my oil stayed between 74 to 76- degrees at the juicer. I would like to see at least 80-degrees. The slower I ran my oil (at the manifold valves) the hotter my oil became because the oil has a longer contact time with the heater. Mind you, these heat related problems are only relegated to the cold winter months up here in the Northeast. I’m sure I will be “golden” come spring, summer, and fall.
My heaters are hot water heating elements encased in 1 1/2” cast iron pipe (they look like piece pipes.) The straight pipe (that connects to the tote via a 1 ½” to 2” coupling) is approximately 2” longer than the hot water heating element, then you have an additional 2” from the coupling (I could have it a little bit longer, I have to double check.) I was worried about the heater possible making the pipe too hot causing some potential melting problems on the plastic tote valve (that would not be good at all.) I screwed the element into a “TEE” using a cast iron reducer (this would be the other side of the tote inlet.) Coming up from the “TEE” is a 2” nipple (1 ½”) into a 90-degree elbow, reduced to a ¾” braided clear line (the clear line gets attached to the centrifuge manifold.)
I make sure to fill the pipe before I turn on the heater. Then, I positioned the pipe at a down angle in order to remove any trapped the air from the pipe.
VERY IMPORTANT! These hot water elements do not react well if they get an air pocket or get air bound somehow after they have reached temperature. Be careful with these heaters! This is why I have thermostats attached to them! But even still, please be careful.
I am trying to work out a better heating system because I will never walk away from my centrifuging process because I am still learning things about it, and I am paranoid that something could go terribly wrong and my shop could catch on fire or the earth could stop rotating! I want to make what I have work now and I will start thinking about “IMPROVMENTS” down the road. I foresee a “plug and go play” system in my future (most likely in the warmer months) where I can power everything up on a timer and walk away.
Hey, one can dream right?
Well, I have to go prepare for the next 18” of snow they are predicting for tonight.
Oh, joy!
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"Slate, you need to add to your list of how too is the screws you add to the top to hold the lid on."
I had one stainless steel juicer with a messed up lid. The lid would not stay on no matter what I did! Since I REFUSE use Duct tape as the “end all fix all”, This is what I did to remedy this situatuion:
I removed the clip brackets from the juicer and threaded up a longer bolt from inside the juicer up through the internal threads (backwards from how the original tiny bolts held the clips down or in.)
There are two metal tabs inside the housing uprights. These tabs will be in the way of your bolt head.
Simply grind them down a bit and out of the way, and thread up your bolt (it is a bit tight).
Then, drill a hole on each side of the lid to correspond to the threaded section of the new bolts (sticking up.)
Now, I simply tighten down the lid with two 11/32 nuts. When I have time, I will try to located two wing nuts that have the same machine threading.
That’s it.
Of course you realize that Miller told me how to solve the bouncing juicer lid problem.
I’m too stupid to figure that one out!
Damn, that boy good!
He good.
Really good!
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WOW, Thats amazing, I want one, Do you have any photos of the inside of the juicer?
Ciaran.
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Brian, thanks for the pics it makes more sense to me now. so the flashing goes on the inside? the super glue is to tack it in and the E6000 is to seal the top and bottom of the flashing. why the big cut out on the lid? can't I use the hole provided? would a wooden box lined with foam egg crate hold the juicer instead of straping it down?
thanks
don't know what big cut out your talking about. use the top the way it is. yes the flashing is glued inside. and before you fix the juicer( strap it ect, foam) try it
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the big clown face cut-out on the top of the lid
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c97/VeggieBurner/centi%20Juicer/102400...
You do not need to cut open the top.
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Gee, those pics look familar Miller........
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ok I see what your talking about. I did that just so i could see when the bowl was full and needed cleaned. I was just playing around. and doc slate took pics of everything i had..

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Wow!!!, great photo thanks
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how often do you have to clean out the gunk from the centrifuges baskets?
depends on how dirty your wvo is to start with.
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so using the centi you just pre filter then heat then run it thru the centi and its dewattered and clean enough to put right into the tank and go??
As of now my oil has been prefilterd.
I plan on using the centi straight from my settling tank after I use up my filtered grease up.
Heat is the key.
Yes, you can centi right into your vehicle, however, if you want to sleep better you could put a 2-micron filter in line after the centi before dumping wvo into your tank.
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I agree with doc roofer
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I have tried using silicone and E6000 on WVO projects . Both of them deteriorate over time when immersed in WVO . This may not be a problem is this situation but it might be better to using a ore resistant adhesive (epoxy- clear or of with filler ) and sealant- Black- RTV or The Right Stuff ). Whatever adhesive you choose, let it cure for for at least several days in a warm environment be for allowing contact with WVO..
The polyester resin material that Sunwizard used to fill the holes seems to hold up but I don;t not how well it would work fasten the flasting to the basket and saealing the flashing at the top an bottom .
http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/159605551/m/1681017591/p/1
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The polyester resin material that Sunwizard used to fill the holes seems to hold up but I don;t not how well it would work fasten the flasting to the basket and saealing the flashing at the top an bottom
I tried this and the resin would come apart. if you read the whole 18 pages from infopop i forget his name but there is a person there that hangs his juicer in a baskit and travels, he also has problem with resin. that's why i use metal (flashing).
1. cut flashing to fit inside bowl allow 1/4 to 1/2 inch overlap and glue with super glue.
2. super glue top and bottom seam, let dry for 2 hours. ( you can fill with water and see if it leaks and use it that way if no leaks)
3. but i use some kind of liquid steel to seal top and bottom seam. that's it
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Seadog: A matter of experience -
The Cpvc (hot water pipe) will fail at the connections according to the manufacturer of Cpvc pipe. For a chemical reason the gluing agent reacts with the Cpvc, the glue and the WVO. A member of the Greater San Diego Greaser group constructed his ENTIRE system with the Cpvc pipe, ran 120F oil through it and discovered very shortly that most all the joints were leaking badly or had almost pulled apart from the pressure of a HF pump. He replaced all the pipe back to the PVC pipe and lives with sagging pipes, but no leaks! I'm going to use 3/4" PEX for the VO that is more than 140F in my 4' x 8' solar collector.
Re: CPVC not holding up...Thanks.
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a question to you guys using the acme juicers, what are you doing to hold them down? I have two (a 600 & a 700) , I have tried increasing the flow rate but vibration is terrible, even with straps and bunge cords. any suggestions.
Set them free!
First off, you may have them out of balance before you start introducing oil.
I have my three juicers free standing with foam between them @ the bases and the ends to prevent them from moving around a bit.
Slowely add the oil untill it evens itsself out.
I hope this helps.
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does anybody have any updates or pics of there juicer?
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Miller: I will be using my centrifuge’s today (40+ degrees for the next three days.) I went on a 300-mile trip over the weekend to pick up a 1992 Cummins (just like my truck), so I have to fill up the grease tank.
I loaded the new truck up on my tandem trailer and off I went. Even pulling more than my truck in weight, I noticed that my new and improved filtered oil did very well without any restrictions in my fuel pressure.
WOW!
Thank you for your help. I am happy I created my new centrifuge system.
Anybody want to buy some 55-gallon barrels, GE whole house water filter systems? :-)
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Well there's the problem, this was posted in the filtration forum. :-)
This is insane, totally insane, and I am experiencing man-love. (not that there's anything wrong with that) :-D
Have you done some water tests? Still wondering how effective just centrifuging is for de-watering.
Chase:
Right now, I am centrifuging oil that has already been previously heated, settled, and filtered.
This is my trial period. So far, I have only seen a thin film of crud inside my juicers because the pre-filtered oil ran through five 5-micron GE filters and one 10-micron Racor filter before going into my storage tanks.
Miller could give you a better answer on any water issues because he uses his juicers with oil he collects straight from the bins.
Thanks for the compliment. It means a lot coming form you: “ The Guru of Cleanliness!”
Your insane grease friend
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as far as water, I still don't test for water so I'm not sure. But I can tell you this. when i filtered my wvo down to 5 micron and drive my 2nd gen powerstroke i would be lucky if i got 500 miles to a filter, and i do mean lucky. since the centi i change my veggie filter every 8000 miles and most of the time it doesnt need changed. as far as water. my WIF light has never come on. this winter I didnt need to clean oil(had 1200 gallons stock piled) but i did play with the centi in the last month. I went out and got 275 gallon of wvo from dumpsters,transferred it into another tote in the garage and let it sit for 1 week. drained off the bottom 5 gallons to see what it looked like then ran the centi for 12 hours a day for 3 days. now i am using that grease with no problems.
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Answer your phone Miller!
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i have a homebuilt CF i bought off craigs. 100% aluminum construction nice unit, paid 400.00. 8" rotor, 3/4 hp 3450 rpm direct drive. rpm's/g's were not enough. oil going in came out looking the same. figured if i speed rpm to 6200 the g's would be 9000+ so i did. having a shaft turned/keyed, 2 bearings and a pulley and 160.00 later, i am 90% finished. IF it works as planned, i will have a nice CF for less than 600.00.
i will start a thread but i will be using it for WATF but i hope to clean wvo to pay back invested money.
When your lid rattles apart and the plastic retainers break on the side, go to the hardware store and get a couple long screws that match the same thread and some pipe strap (used for holding plumbing). Unscrew the existing metal clips and screw down the lid with the pipe strapping and new screws to hold it all in place. Works like a champ. It's way better than bungie cords, duct tape, and all that mess.
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that looks great.........
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maybe this will help. I put this together this weekend. i put a tote on a 2x10 wood box. but you can use cement blocks. then i piped with heater to centi the centi dumps into a plastic trash can, inside can is cheap sump pump that pumps it back into tote. i will let this run for 2 or 3 days.
http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c97/VeggieBurner/
and videos
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the foam is from 2 things.
1. your spinning more then 10 gallons an hr and that introduces air.
2. oil is to cold. if you get your oil to 120 degrees then you can do 20 to 25 gallons an hr without foam.
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the stock juicer will do up to 20 gallons an hr. if you want to do faster you have to remove the outside bowl. the one with the spicket. look inside and you will see the hole to the spicket is to small. if you take a marker and lay it ontop of the inner lip and draw a line by the spout you will see what i mean. on the metel 6001 i use a wleder or dremel tool to make the spicket hole taller. on the 5001 they are plastic and easier to drill. after you do that then you can spin 30 gallons an hr before the wvo over flows on the inside and spits out the sides. I'm sure you have had it over flow and spit out the sides? so you turned the flow down. if you cut the bowls hole taller you can flow more wvo before it over flows. but the slowwer your flow the cleaner the wvo will be.
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