How well do the Co-Pilot systems hold up & work?

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Dacopyman's picture
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I Just sold my baby, my 98 TDi Jetta after 7 years running on wvo at 405,000 miles. I had always used the 3 way switch & was happy with it. I now have a 05 Passat TDi (rather hard to find around here in Ohio) I drove to Maryland & got it from a dealor. The Greasecar kit I bought for it seems to only come with the Co-piolt. More bells & whistles just makes me wonder how they are holding up?
Also what have you heard about TDi Passats? 05's
My VW mechanic that does a lot of my work said "With as much driving as you do you should get a Passat they ride better" ect. so I finally got one. Now he says "They are a lot more money to keep up"  Had to do the timing belt kit & waterpump right after I got it at 112,000 mi it had not been done yet + found A/C radiator cooling fan was shot so $700.00 in the hole with all that right out the gate. "You had probably the cheapest one to keep up with that 98 Jetta."  ARRRG!  lol Oh well The 2.0 in this Passat feels like a NASCAR compaired to the old 1.9  78 H.P. Jetta and it really does ride better + has heated seats. I just have to get the kit in ASAP costing almost 120.00 a week in diesel filling up every 4 days & getting right about 40 mpg. I had been used to filling up maybe 2 times a month with my 50 mpg Jetta & running on WVO 90% of the time.

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The Greasecar kit I bought for it seems to only come with the Co-piolt. More bells & whistles just makes me wonder how they are holding up?
I had the same question before I bought my kit.
Once you set the switchover coolant temp (coolant temp after the VO filter heat exchanger), the switchover to veggie is automatic.
Once you set the purge timing, the switching back to diesel is automatic. Of course you have to start the purge.
Don't know whether they use the Electrtric Heater Relay Trigger wire in your kit. If you can make use of it even better.
I am going to use it for blending soon.
 
I am very happy with it.

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'05 Cummins CTD 24V HPCR RAM 2500 QC SLT SB Black 4X4 48RE  325 hp  610 ft.lbs
GC Kit  + 3rd Tank WVO(80%)/RUG(20-30%)  +  Co-Pilot 
3-Tank Operation managed by Co-Pilot: Blending(warm up) / Veggie(hot run) / Diesel(purge for next start)
Smarty Jr  40/70/100 hp (Timing Map Modification)
 

KirkH's picture
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I did not want to be at the mercy of a computer if I was out on the road so I sold my co-pilot and put in a couple of toggle switches and my own temperature gauges.

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I figure the worst scenario would be just unplug the Co-Pilot or remove the power supply fuse and you would be back on diesel again.

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'05 Cummins CTD 24V HPCR RAM 2500 QC SLT SB Black 4X4 48RE  325 hp  610 ft.lbs
GC Kit  + 3rd Tank WVO(80%)/RUG(20-30%)  +  Co-Pilot 
3-Tank Operation managed by Co-Pilot: Blending(warm up) / Veggie(hot run) / Diesel(purge for next start)
Smarty Jr  40/70/100 hp (Timing Map Modification)
 

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There are times when I wait to make sure mine is going to turn off or hit the switch to turn the controller to manuel before exiting the truck. I talked with Greasecar about the issuje of the controller staying on. All that was said was make sure you have the switched power wire connected right. 95 % of the tikme it shuts down as should but occasionally it will turn itself back on. So if that happens and the controller is in Auto mode and up to temp, it will go to VO. Anyway,  as Veggpwr said, if you havean issue just unplug and you'll be running on diesel. All that said, I LIKE MINE!  :))            3 less guages         Dodge 01 3500  25K greasey miles

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occasionally it will turn itself back on. So if that happens and the controller is in Auto mode and up to temp, it will go to VO.
It will only energize the two 3-way valves again in VO mode and since the engine is shutdown nothing will happen.
It will turn itself back off again within something like 30 seconds, as far as I noticed.

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'05 Cummins CTD 24V HPCR RAM 2500 QC SLT SB Black 4X4 48RE  325 hp  610 ft.lbs
GC Kit  + 3rd Tank WVO(80%)/RUG(20-30%)  +  Co-Pilot 
3-Tank Operation managed by Co-Pilot: Blending(warm up) / Veggie(hot run) / Diesel(purge for next start)
Smarty Jr  40/70/100 hp (Timing Map Modification)
 

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Anytime the Co-Pilot acts weird, you can always do a RESET/REBOOT.
http://www.greasecar.com/forums/tech-tips/co-pilot-doesnt-turn-off

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'05 Cummins CTD 24V HPCR RAM 2500 QC SLT SB Black 4X4 48RE  325 hp  610 ft.lbs
GC Kit  + 3rd Tank WVO(80%)/RUG(20-30%)  +  Co-Pilot 
3-Tank Operation managed by Co-Pilot: Blending(warm up) / Veggie(hot run) / Diesel(purge for next start)
Smarty Jr  40/70/100 hp (Timing Map Modification)
 

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That's a terrible scenario if you are hundreds of miles from home and don't want to pay for diesel! 

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That's a terrible scenario if you are hundreds of miles from home and don't want to pay for diesel!
Then you would need some redundancy. You would have keep two spare 3-way soleniod valves in your truck, just in case both valves go down at the same time.
For me, I would have to add a 3-way switch in parallel with my Co-Pilot for emergency running WVO plus have two spare 3-way soleniod valves in my truck.

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'05 Cummins CTD 24V HPCR RAM 2500 QC SLT SB Black 4X4 48RE  325 hp  610 ft.lbs
GC Kit  + 3rd Tank WVO(80%)/RUG(20-30%)  +  Co-Pilot 
3-Tank Operation managed by Co-Pilot: Blending(warm up) / Veggie(hot run) / Diesel(purge for next start)
Smarty Jr  40/70/100 hp (Timing Map Modification)
 

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In fact, I do.  Actually I carry 2 ball valves with me.  If my SV-98 valves were to fail, I can quickly replace them with ball valves.

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      HEY  KirkH                  Thanks for the two ball valve post..        I  did not have such supplies in my truck. However when my SV200 valve did noy function  correctly today and ALL my fuel was  returning to the VO tank, I remembered your post and was able to set up the system for manuel operation so that we can travel home tomorrow on grease and purge the truck as necessary to save my VP44 IP. This is great since we are 840 miles from home. I plan to always have those spare parts in the truck!

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That's great!  Glad to hear it.

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2002 Powerstroke Greasecar kit, 20 plate heat exchanger, water injection, Aeroforce Scan Gauge II, ISSPro fuel pressure, trans temp, boost and EGT gauges, Cyberdyne grease and coolant temperature gauges, auxilliary coolant pump, 295,000 miles, 95,000 on grease.&nbsp

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I miss my 98 TDI, that was a solid car to own. I started out with the switch and couldn't believe that people would waste money on a computerized co-pilot. But I ended up purchasing a very cheap used co-pilot. And I couldn't even think of going back to the switch. I love it. It also makes the install way more easier and faster to install the system. You don't even have to think about it, and anyone can drive your car with no worries at all. I use to let my girlfriend drive my car, and I just told her once you get to your place hit ONE button and wait for the number to go to (0) Diesel Safe. Then you can turn the car off. Worked great with no problems. And I've installed tons of co-pilots to date and I haven't had anyone with major problems come back.
I wouldn't drive a grease car with out one.

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Two 2006 Jetta TDI Greasecar kit + 30 FPHE (today)
2003 F350 Greasecar kit + 30 fphe sold
1987 300sdl Greasecar kit +30 fphe sold
1998 Jetta TDI Greasecar kit totalled by pickup truck